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Re: The DT system needs to change.
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dragonvslinux
on 15/08/2022, 12:34:56 UTC
I was thinking very similar recently, based on how many users had previously earnt 10 and 250 merits compared to how many have now. I was trying to find data/charts on how many users had earnt this amount when DT1 eligibility had changed, in order to propose what it should be now, so that DT1 eligibility would remain at the same "difficulty" level.
I have data on eligibility: https://loyce.club/trust/ranking/
This was archived a month after theymos implemented the current DefaultTrust system: https://archive.ph/PmrZn

Thanks for the info, that archive from 2019 is a useful start here. Notably there were many less users eligible back then, many less than I thought.

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It'd be interesting to see how many users would remain eligible if the requirements for DT1 were increased from 10/250 to 100/500 for example.
From what I remember, it was intended to have low restrictions, so users who joined later still stand a chance.

I don't think I'm suggesting for it to have high restrictions by comparison, simply as low restrictions, as opposed to much lower restrictions (as is the case now). For example if there were 700 members who had earnt 10 merit back in January 2019, and now there are 700+ members* who have now earnt 100 merit, then the restrictions would be just as low as they previously were wouldn't they?

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If anyone can point me towards data earnt user-merit data from DT1 changes it'd be appreciated.
My overview of Merit earned (on very large HTML pages) starts here. But it may be easier to just parse the data from merit.all.txt (31 MB). This file has every Merit transaction and the exact time.

Thanks again, but was hoping there would already be some charts available for amount of merit earnt by users here, without having to compile the data myself  Tongue

*Similar to the chart from here (referenced above), but if it were to include all merit earnt by users, not just for rank requirements, hence it's far from accurate.

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The eligibility difficulty should be maintained in my opinion, not lowered over time.
It's maintained for new users, and gets easier for older users. The alternative would be that new users barely stand a chance (kinda like how they can't catch up on Activity).

I see your point, sort of, but the issue here is that DT1 eligibility therefore becomes increasingly easier over time, to the point where there aren't 100+ members, but 200+, then 400+, etc. It's maintained for new users by only requiring 10 merit, but as DT1 eligibility is based on inclusions from merit earning individuals, I'm not suggesting making it more difficult for new users to be included in DT1 I don't think.

For example increasing inclusion requirements to 100/500 would make it more difficult for new and old users alike, as the requirement of 10 earnt merit to be eligble would remain the same no?