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Re: Mixers that mix bitcoin without letting it be obvious that it came from a mixer?
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Wind_FURY
on 22/08/2022, 05:46:04 UTC
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Mixers that mix bitcoin without letting it be obvious that it came from a mixer?


Shower thought. What if a mixer only accepted transactions sent to it through the Lightning Network? In theory, it could help with OP's question on how to "hide" the fact that someone used a mixer, because a transaction in the Lightning Network takes multiple hops before making it to the destination. It won't be your actual UTXOs that reaches the mixer. How will outside-observers know that you're actually using a mixer?

shower with some soap thought

locking funds up. and then using said references to then do some offchain swaps where the utxo to unlock of someone elses (random person) then goes to you. is better than spamming the network with traditional mixer span..
.. but if you then advertise that other network(LN) as a privacy enhancing tool (like regulators already recognise LN as a privacy enhancing tool) still gets all the locks to LN  red flagged
yep all them locks listed on 1ml are red flagged as suspicious.


You started the post reasonably, but there you are again, franky1. Starting to include subtle disinformation, and gaslighting techniques.

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so you would need to create a whole new smart contract network. NOT advertise it as a privacy enhancing network (while physically ensuring you dont ask for info that breaks privacy) but where the other network facilitates legitimate usage and more then just a niche things. oh and also where the routing/payment process does not require a gossip policy to publicly displaying fund locks as part (because yea thats not actually privacy in the first place) to ensure its not super easy to know which locks are tied to LN channels.. because yea common sense..
a network advertising itself as a privacy tool but by default publicly gossips all the utxo's linked to its network references of channels.. is not really then private


I found this editorial opinion about the Gossip Protocol and the users' privacy from Bitcoin Magazine, which I will read later, https://bitcoinmagazine.com/technical/bitcoin-lightning-gossip-protocol-privacy

Plus in theory, having a mixer accept Lightning Network deposits and withdrawals might not be needed because Lightning could already act as a "pseudo-mixer" when a user sends a transaction through multiple hops to himself. I believe it will be those "unintentional use cases" that might bring more demand for Lightning transactions.