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Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]
by
paxmao
on 13/09/2022, 22:37:53 UTC
If the war ends, Ukraine will join the Nato and earn support payments to rebuild its economy due to the fact, that the EU is depending on ukrainian goods such as wheat and oil.

Isnt NATO representatives already claimed that Ukraine is not ready for joining NATO, as Ukraine does not fully meet European standards yet? I am a bit far from Ukraine joining NATO discussion, but last thing I remembered, was there several months ago there was a meeting of NATO countries and it seems they are not waiting for Ukraine in their union. As to wheat and oil - does Ukraine support Europe that much, that Europe would give billions to rebuild destroyed economy? Europe is not short of wheat deliveries from Ukraine, but so far there is no such huge shortage and wheat crisis in Europe, that will make people crazy.

There is no such thing as standards for a country to join NATO. Ive been to Albania and Macedonia many times, these are great countries, but if we consider the reasons for accepting them into NATO, it has nothing to do with thefact that they suddenly began to meet some standards. This is a purely political decision. If there is a decision your accepted, no decision your not. If such a decision is made, Angola will be in NATO within a month.
When the war ends, Ukraine should offer NATO to join Ukraine. Insisting on some reforms within NATO, for example, throwing the fuck out Hungary would be definitely one of them. Germany doesn't have shit so need to get rid of it too.

>does Ukraine support Europe that much
You don't understand the major point. In fact, Europe owes Ukrainians all the things and without any conditions. Because democratic societies, unlike authoritarian ones, depend on their own rhetoric. If they said "Never again", they should prove it. If they said that democracy and values are important, they should prove it. Otherwise, the line between Putin's rubbish and the proud statements of the West is blurred.


This reminds me of a sentence by Groucho Marx: "I would neve join a club that accepts me as a member". Jokes apart, NATO is an strategic alliance and there is not a formal criteria but there are some things that need to be considered:
- Does the country joining have a decent weapons or army spending or are they counting on NATO defending "for free"?
- Is there an strategic advantage in the location? Will the country accept bases?
- Is there a regime that can be trusted (to a level at least)?

And a very important one: Can NATO, in case of an attack, really commit to protecting said country?