By the way.. don't get me wrong.. it seems that I am the same as you (Cryptolove20015), and likely many of the other dominantly BTC HODLers who frequent this thread in the frame of mind to welcome UPpity outbursts whenever such UPpity outbursts might come - and we have had several of those kinds of "relief rallies" in bitcoin's history - while at the same time it can seem like forever waiting for them.. and for me the 8-ish months in 2015 felt like forever for me.. and the seemingly ONLY 4-5 month wait in late 2018/early 2019 did not feel close to as painful as the 2015 wait....   Every time, we can say that this time is different in the sense that there are always going to be differences that cause the uncertainty to feel real this time.. and maybe the bearwhales have to cause those kinds of feelings to the extent that they are capable of accomplishing such pain and suffering upon the BTC HODLers .. in the sense of pushing the BTC price down as low as it can be gotten and to keep it down as low as it can be kept for as long as possible.. yet it still seems that at some point they will run out of ammunition.. We do have a limited BTC supply and it does seem that having such limited supply could cause some of those big cocky beartwats to get sufficiently reckt.. even if they might be a very large institutional actor, as state or some combination of those kinds of historically manipulating twats who want to (and feel that they can) always get their way (until they don't).