funny part is using the forum search
using scaling as keyword and doomad as the username
in short over the last 7 years doomad has changed his mindset to now only want to see LN thrive as a scaling solution by denying any other solution is desired.. even though many people do want to see onchain scaling.. but he wants them to be patient, where devs are trying out LN for now
doomad says
bitcoin onchain does not need to scale, or "only franky wants onchain scaling" where doomad always emphasies layer 2 options.. but where the only level 2 option he ever talks about is LN and then said bitcoin will scale eventually, just not needed now due to scale other options apart from his favoured one ofcourse
and "just be patient" for the other options..
in short. not pursue other options becasue he wants LN as the defacto solution
I don't see anyone saying LN is the "only" way forward. Your inference that people are saying that appears to be embellished for dramatic effect. I think everyone would welcome a little less hyperbole. Please let's try to keep things in perspective. Again, further on-chain scaling will almost certainly come at some point, but we're trying some other stuff first which doesn't have as much overhead in terms of cost. Please try to be patient.
funny because doomad says everyone wants LN and im the only attacker not wanting LN and only one wanting on-chain scaling as his defense to think LN is the only solution needed to be tried right now*
theres even quotes where doomad thinks the only option for non core nodes to want bitcoin scaling is to fork off to an altcoin and see who follows. (to get rid of those not wanting LN as the sole solution to work on right now) rather than allowing other brand nodes to co-ecist on the bitcoin network to offer proposals
See
this post and about a dozen others I've made over the years which follow a similar theme (but he still doesn't get it). I keep pointing out that other networks would give him the so-called "
scaling solution" he desires. And it's true. He can have bigger blocks and be part of a network where those who secure the chain are willing to carry that cost. Yet, for reasons that even he can't explain, he keeps whining at us to give him the same thing he can get somewhere else, despite a clear demonstration that the users on this network don't want that. Consensus mechanisms are great for resolving ideological disputes like this. You want different rules? Create a fork and do it. So others did exactly that. And the matter is now resolved for everyone else. Just not for him, it seems. The war is still raging in his head, but everyone else went home and got on with their lives. He doesn't understand that it's over.
doomads game is to not let core lose power. but to try to suggest people make altcoins as the option otion to oppose core roadmap..
you giving options?
your options is "bitcoin limits stay, bitcoin wont scale... if you dont like it f**k off"
do you want me to quote the number of times you have said to people f**k off to other networks (both **=uc and or)
Quote me all you like. I'm not wrong. Leaving is an option and I wouldn't dream of trying to deprive someone of that freedom.
or make a node just so he can REKT them as rivals and ban them from being part of bitcoin because he sees them as opposition and not viable co-existing brands
(just search,, there are many examples of his REKT adorations)
all quotes are available in doomads post history but lets continue listing the times that doomad says devs are doing LN and people should be patient when waiting for bitcoin scaling (even after 7 years of LN failing to launch as the solution to scaling)
funnily enough.. before getting to that.. here is his mindset back in 2016.. he had the opposite mindset.... how things have changed
Yes, and being pressured off-chain to transact because there's limited space in the blocks would be a rather big loss of value to most people. There are some people who would gain an advantage from deliberately keeping a small blocksize for as long as possible. They often express their fondness for a privileged and elitist chain where it's mostly just whales and large companies moving massive sums from time to time. If that heinous vision ever comes to fruition then it will no longer be an open system. Choose your bedfellows wisely, as you risk setting a dangerous precedent if you stifle every potential fork by dismissing it as a takeover attempt. Denying the freedom to choose now could bite you in the arse later and limit your own freedoms. Now is not the right time to "set things in stone", as some have argued for.
we now see which bedfellows you decided to sleep with
the ones that want to keep bitcoin at small blocks for elitists to pay higher fee's and offramp normal people to other networks
more examples where you say how LN is a scaling solution and bitcoiners have to just be patient and wait for years before bitcoin scales in the long term
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1240437.msg12928598#msg12928598oh and fun fact 3 years ago people were saying how LN as a solution was taking too long and doomad jumps in to said its only a couple years old, keep waiting. it will get there people will offramp LN will grow to solve scaling
Whichever side of the argument you fall on, I feel that people generally have unrealistic expectations with regard to things like development and adoption. Whether you're pro or anti towards LN, in the grand scheme of things, Lightning is still in its infancy. I don't know if people need a reminder about this when it should be blatantly obvious, but Lightning on mainnet is only two years old. Just because adoption may be slow at the moment, it doesn't mean that will continue to be the case after a few more years of refinement.
*then we have doomad debunking himself with his favoured speeches of "only franky wants onchain scaling
seems he knows there are many discussions by many people wanting bitcoin scaling.. after all.. and that reality is. its not "just franky"
One major problem that no one is talking about is scalability
Really? You must be reading the wrong topics, heh. I see a great deal of discussion about it.
Since it's something a large number of people are working on, I don't worry about it as much as I used to. There's definitely stuff in the pipeline that's going to assist with scaling, so it's just a matter of waiting.
doomad see's LN as part of a scaling option whilst pretending in one post that only franky wants onchain scaling and everyone else wants LN.. and no one else does want onchain scaling so defacto in his view LN is the solution
but the debunk of himself by noticing the many posts by many people talking about scaling bitcoin, where doomad keeps just saying just be patient and wait for LN to ramp up adoption..
funny part is doomad is heavy crying with words saying no one wants bitcoin scaling(debunked)
that people need to be patient as there is a second layer option for scaling devs are trying out first .. while pretending its the only current option becasue he pretends no one wants other options
trying to keep bitcoins scaling limited, just to push people into LN is bad.
That's a lie right there. Didn't take you long. No one is trying to limit scaling. Your interpretation of the word "
scaling" is just different to what other users running full nodes understand it to be.
right there doomad is trying to infer that scaling is about LN and not onchain development because he (debunked) says no one is taking onchain scaling option
he infers how no one wants onchain scaling(debunked) via pretend only franky wants it..
he then say how LN will solve scaling but was just too young(in 2019)..
,, but its now many year later and not solved it.. but he still wants to say people should be patient.. knowing people are getting impatient about waiting for LN's promise.. while again pretending no one wants it by ignoring the multiple topics and people asking for bitcoin scaling
he then pretends again to wash over his previous narratives by saying LN is not the only scaling solution even though many posts show him telling people not to push for onchain scaling because he only sees me 'franky' that wants onchain scaling. and not scaling via a crappy flawed still not meeting expectations or its promises solution
note an earlier post from 2017
LN has its place and it should be implemented, that's a reasonable standpoint, but at the same time, it's not a substitute for on-chain scaling and no one should be forced into using it. They're all individual elements of an overall scaling solution. Again, everything and the kitchen sink.
but in 2019-23 he is telling people that no one wants/needs onchain scaling apart from franky and LN is the current path and people need to be patient with..
again remember his own debunk of himself where many people have been discussing onchain scaling but he loves to jump into those topics to advertise LN and telling everyone to not demand onchain scaling and just wait for LN to refine
there are thousands of posts of his wishy washy subtle promotions of LN as the solution whilst trying to deny that anyone want onchain scaling thus subtly saying that LN is the only solution because he doesnt see(admit occasionally) the massive amount of onchain scaling discussions that do exist(he will deny to push his LN promotions)