The clawback has started. The fed is trying to clawback money even if they can produce no record keeping. Sure, if debt is owed it must be paid, but in these cases where someone else incurred it's pretty crazy.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/social-security-treasury-target-hundreds-of-thousands-of-taxpayers-for-parents-old-debts/2014/04/10/74ac8eae-bf4d-11e3-bcec-b71ee10e9bc3_story.htmlA few weeks ago, with no notice, the U.S. government intercepted Mary Grices tax refunds from both the IRS and the state of Maryland. Grice had no idea that Uncle Sam had seized her money until some days later, when she got a letter saying that her refund had gone to satisfy an old debt to the government a very old debt.
When Grice was 4, back in 1960, her father died, leaving her mother with five children to raise. Until the kids turned 18, Sadie Grice got survivor benefits from Social Security to help feed and clothe them.
Now, Social Security claims it overpaid someone in the Grice family its not sure who in 1977. After 37 years of silence, four years after Sadie Grice died, the government is coming after her daughter. Why the feds chose to take Marys money, rather than her surviving siblings, is a mystery.
Across the nation, hundreds of thousands of taxpayers who are expecting refunds this month are instead getting letters like the one Grice got, informing them that because of a debt they never knew about often a debt incurred by their parents the government has confiscated their check.
The Treasury Department has intercepted $1.9 billion in tax refunds already this year $75 million of that on debts delinquent for more than 10 years, said Jeffrey Schramek, assistant commissioner of the departments debt management service. The aggressive effort to collect old debts started three years ago the result of a single sentence tucked into the farm bill lifting the 10-year statute of limitations on old debts to Uncle Sam.
It was a shock, said Grice, 58. What incenses me is the way they went about this. They gave me no notice, they cant prove that I received any overpayment, and they use intimidation tactics, threatening to report this to the credit bureaus.
Grice filed suit against the Social Security Administration in federal court in Greenbelt this week, alleging that the government violated her right to due process by holding her responsible for a $2,996 debt supposedly incurred under her fathers Social Security number.
Social Security officials told Grice that six people Grice, her four siblings and her fathers first wife, whom she never knew had received benefits under her fathers account. The government doesnt look into exactly who got the overpayment; the policy is to seek compensation from the oldest sibling and work down through the family until the debt is paid.
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The Federal Trade Commission, on its Web site, advises Americans that family members typically are not obligated to pay the debts of a deceased relative from their own assets. But Social Security officials say that if children indirectly received assistance from public dollars paid to a parent, the childrens money can be taken, no matter how long ago any overpayment occurred.
While we are responsible for collecting delinquent debts owed to taxpayers, we understand the importance of ensuring that debtors are treated fairly, Treasurys Schramek said in a statement responding to questions from The Washington Post. He said Treasury requires that debtors be given due process.
Social Security officials told her they had sent their notice to her post office box in Roxboro, N.C. Grice rented that box from 1977 to 1979 and never since. And Social Security has Grices current address: Every year, it sends her a statement about her benefits.
Their record-keeping seems to be very spotty, she said.
Treasury officials say that before they will take someones refund, the agency owed the money must certify the debt, meaning there must be evidence of the overpayment. But Social Security officials told Grice they had no records explaining the debt.
The craziest part of this whole thing is the way the government seizes a childs money to satisfy a debt that child never even knew about, says Robert Vogel, Grices attorney. Theyll say that somebody got paid for that childs benefit, but the child had no control over the money and theres no way to know if the parent ever used the money for the benefit of that kid.
Grice, the middle of five children, said neither of her surviving siblings one older, one younger has had any money taken by the government. When Grice asked why she had been selected to pay the debt, she was told it was because she had an income and her address popped up the correct one this time.
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