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Cryptotalk were just launched probably to promote Yobit, a shady crypto exchange platform. All of those incentives from posting are withdrawn through that exchange. Additionally, they had promoted a lot from that time, including their investbox (I wonder if there are any legit traders who profited from this).
Enough from that, Bitcointalk is way too far from these two forums you mentioned. Quality topics, posts, management, users, & way more opportunities to trade cryptos, services, and goods.