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Re: [ANN] Whirlwind.money | ⚡No Fee⚡ | Ultimate Privacy | Bitcoin Mixer
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whirlwindmoney
on 20/04/2023, 13:42:15 UTC
I see.money has not been working for several days, and you depend on Tor. Is there still visits and profits, or has it not been affected?
Number of visits were definitely affected by the DDoS, but we will solve it once and for all after we're finished with the update. That's the main priority for now.

Besides the 3 options to deal with DDoS I listed above we thought of a 4th one that requires a lot more effort from our side but it's probably the best way to approach this.  We could use Cloudflare or any other 3rd party, but to do that safely we need to double-encrypt everything. So even though Cloudflare would most likely store logs for all actions made through Clearnet, it would be useless since they couldn't decrypt the packages so they still won't know anything about our users including what actions they made while visiting the website. Each user will be able to independently verify this second layer of encryption actually exists so you do not need to trust our word. I'll write a detailed description about how this system would work and if the feedback is good enough we will implement it.

Your service has become very similar to CM, won't the fixed output fungible and fixed withdrawal fees make it easier to identify that coins came from u?
Are deposits less than 0.001BTC considered donations, or can I get notes of the same value, but they cannot be withdrawn?
Are there ideas to add Monero to the withdrawal from notes, or will you just be Bitcoin?
As opposed to CM or any other service we are not even trying to hide that coins came from us, in fact that would actually make Whirlwind less secure from a privacy standpoint. The multi-sig address is public so everyone can check all inputs/outputs themselves. Thanks to how the system works this information doesen't mean much because any output could have originated from any of the deposits made until that point so it's impossible to link them together. In this regard Whirlwind is more resistant to deanonymization techniques than even CM after our Anonymity Set is strong enough.* Other than the fungible outputs there aren't many similarities between the 2 services.

After the update later this week you will be able to deposit less than 0.001BTC in one Note, but to withdraw you will need to combine enough of them so you get to the 0.001BTC minimum withdraw amount.

We will consider offering Monero deposits/withdrawals but it's probably not going to happen in the very near future if at all as we don't want to overcomplicate things.

*Comparison example between CM and Whirlwind Anonymity Sets:
For simplicity let's imagine both services started at the exact same time 3 months ago and during these 3 months 1000 deposits were made to each service (1000 to CM and 1000 to WW) each worth 1BTC and 800 of them were already withdrawn. So each service had a total volume of 1000BTC but only 200BTC remaining in the reserve.

A new user now deposits 1BTC to CM and 1BTC to Whirlwind and withdraws 1 hour later. The anonymity sets would look like this for each of the 2 services:

Whirlwind - Since you do not know which one of the 1001 deposits was withdrawn at any point, it can only be assumed that each output originates from any of the 1001 deposits, so the Anonymity Set is 1001 regardless if 800 were already withdrawn.

CM - Since Chips are prepared in advance and during those 3 months most of the withdrawn chips (800) were already spent at a timestamp before you made your deposit, your Anonimity Set is only 1001-800 = 201