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Re: Did Laszlo Hanyecz exchange 40000 BTC for 8 pizzas, not 10000 BTC for 2 pizzas?
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John Abraham
on 28/05/2023, 06:58:48 UTC
I don't mind giving merits if a member makes some good points, even if I might not agree with the member or even understand exactly what the points might be, and even if later it is shown that the member might not be adequately backing up what they say.

There seems to be some directionally correct evidence for what UchihaSarada had posted in the above OP, even if in the end, UchihaSarada might not have backed up everything that he said very well (and?  Does the backing up need to be perfect?... sure you also have a right to criticize him for not backing up his points well enough and also making whatever points that you had already made).. but there were a few others in this thread that did some additional backing up some of the points that were made in the OP (even if all of the points might not have been exactly correct or substainable (and maybe inferences have been made too).. and we do not even know if the points have been disproven, either).
Let's forget about the merit thing. I know you have seen tons of them in your forum journey. I hate when people create a separate thread to discuss something they are not sure about Bitcoin-related history. I don't rely on some specific Twattar influencer or public figure to back my claims. Whenever people are on the internet, if they find something interesting, they can search for more details on the internet. Guess there is no information about what they are searching for, which means they are looking for something that does not exist and did not happen. It seems Lazslo bought more than two pizzas But look at the title of this topic. It has a question mark, indeed. But, The title is misleading or somewhat clickbait thing. Do you like clickbait titles or thumbnails?

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You are asking me what I thing, and to me it seems that you (John Abraham) seem to have strong feelings about UchihaSarada failure to adequately back up his framing of history on the topic of whether Lazlo might have had several other times in which he bought pizzas with large quantities of bitcoin.. including possibly 4 times and such as 10k BTC each time.  

Seems a bit much to actually spend 40k btc on 8 pizzas, but it is not totally out of the realm of reasonableness .. even if it might end up NOT being technically correct and even if you, JA, label UchihaSarada as disingenuine, fishing for merits and/or purposefully spreading misinformation (which are all valid criticisms.. even if you might be wrong in your criticisms, too).. which seems a bit much of a claim, too..

I often see people create threads to discuss something that should not be discussed or isn't worth discussing. His topic title indicates Laszlo exactly bought Eight pizzas for 40K Bitcoins, and this claim doesn't have any reference. For reference, he used three tweets from the same unnamed Twitter handle. A single person cannot claim such a thing without proper evidence. I am concerned because this will change the history of Bitcoin. I believe we are still in the early days, and we should defend against any kind of miss information. I know you know about metamorphosis and how it works. This Bitcointalk thread will be used as a reference to validate the claim that Laszlo bought Eight pizzas for 40K Bitcoins.

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Surely members can disagree on matters, and sometimes we end up getting pissed off at each other... and sometimes we make up later and sometimes we don't.. I claim that I don't tend to hold grudges, but sure there are some members who are a wee bit irritating to me too.. so irritation can flow in either direction.. even though some members seem to be very well liked by almost everyone. Dolly Parton holds that title in main stream media..

Through my years in the forum, I have had some battles with some members, and later it seems that we get along well these days, and surely there are some members who really seem to dislike me too.. so there's only so much that can be done about some of the differences in perspectives and personalities, and sometimes members rub each other the wrong way... what can we do about those kinds of personal variances? Frequently, I tend to respond when I feel that I have been directly attacked (or referenced), unless I feel that I had already sufficiently/adequately addressed whatever point is trying to involve me, or I might refrain from responding if it appears better if I don't say anything.. so of course, there is discretion that each of us has in terms of whether we should respond or not.

I believe that most of the times when I choose to respond, I try to not take it personal (or to make my response personal.. even though you never know, I might choose to throw in a few zingers for funzies, from time to time, too.. so there is a kind of balancing and attempt to figure out how important the topic might be to me).  There is a lot of variations in choosing to respond and how to respond.. and frequently it can be difficult to figure out how to leave emotion out or whether it should be left out, which the rule of thumb would be to leave it out and only strategically employ it...and if you strategically employ it wrong, then sucks to be you.

members sometimes will end up getting themselves banned, suspended or red tagged by other members because they are unable to stop their battles with other members... or maybe sometimes they just end up forcing themselves into a kind of rage quit.  those are choices.. and surely sometimes not easy to figure out when to stop.

Look at the way he responded to me in another thread. I don't think I've said anything bad. People who cannot take criticism should not be in the public forum. People could have a different opinion than yours. If you have a point, talk to them and defend yourself with your point. But, some people choose not to show their point and like shit. They start making personal attacks and being aggressive toward others who criticize them. I don't think I've been in battle in my forum life. I tend to ignore when I see trolls and users talking pointless, and I don't see any reason to respond. No matter your point, you won't get the answer to your point.

Getting pissed off at each other is a common thing. But, when we talk to each other and sort out things, there is no problem. You cannot expect calmness from a twelve-year-old kid. Yeah, angry people who give death threads and dox others will get banned. About the red tag, I don't think forum members should tag others based on the way they talk. The feedback system was introduced for trading-related use. But we still use it for other purposes as well. Sometimes people tag each other for their personal matter, which makes it pointless. Whoever use it for their own favour should not be on the DT network.