I've got better and more pressing things to do than argue with a blind-sighted fool in continual denial who is impervious to facts or reason and can't construct an intelligible point or argument, so I'll refute your (non-)arguments when I've got time, but the duration it takes me to respond to your nonsense is a petty and puerile matter. Why don't you take a couple of days to comprehend what I'm saying and do some research or, you know, actually make a valid point or argument? You've yet again provided nothing satisfactory or refuted any of my points with any facts at all; just incorrect opinion. Seriously, you're either really no good at comprehending or processing the information and facts I've given you or you're stupidly in denial and doing your best to avoid answering my questions.
1) You haven't clearly done anything and it's opinionated because you haven't provided any evidence of your argument other than your own opinion which has been based on your misunderstanding of quotes that you've not understood the meaning or context of. You said Einstein's work was religious in nature but where is your proof? And listen to what I've got to say now: My argument is not and was never to disprove the entire list of scientists and philosophers you gave, my point was you included three ones that
werent in any way religious. Do you understand that? You need to drop thinking that you're somehow onto a winning argument here. You're asking me to prove a square is a circle. I never said they were. If you cannot comprehend this then there's no point continuing. Your only argument here seems to be a point I never made. And I proved that not one or two but all three of the people I initially pointed out are not religious, but it's becoming clear nothing will convince you otherwise.
2) Ah, so you're an anti-semite? Again, this is your misinformed opinion. Saying Jews arent an ethnicity is absolutely moronic and there's a difference between the people and religion whether you think it or not. Again, your
opinion is wrong. Anybody can join the Jewish faith, but it doesn't give you Jewish heritage or ancestry. How can Sagan be Jewish? How can Woody Allen or Sasha Baron Cohen be Jewish and also Atheists? Or are they not to you? Maybe all their work is inspired by god too? Do some reading:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_ethnic_divisions. Jews are Hebrews and
originated from Israel and surrounding areas, but have since spread throughout the world like most ethnicities.
3) Little of that makes any sense so if you care to rephrase it I'll have a go at deciphering your point, but your
opinion of Sagan is wrong, just like everything else. He wasn't a theist. Where have I quoted that? Please read and process the information of what I've said in my previous message.
4) Seriously, is that the only argument you've got here? You are trying to win an argument based on a point I'm not making. I've proved without doubt the three are not religious with quotes from all of them but you disregard these. You have not read any of their works at all. Read them then get back to me. Your insistence on still trying to say that Hawkings religiosity is debatable or 'disputable' is laughable, but it's clear your denial is not going to let you drop this. If you can't disprove the points I've made above in my previous message and just want me to try prove to you that squares are circles then there's really no point continuing this, but I will continue to answer you points in my own time if you so wish to do so, but answering the same unsourced and unfounded crap is a little boring.
Better things to do? rest assured I've had a look on your comment history at the time before I advanced such a thing, I'm not stupid, I verified because you might have been absent, or busy, but it wasn't the case either way, your comment history for the last 2 days speaks for it self this is a FACT. Factual argumentation I don't need to derail or advance something which is not a fact and believe in it like you are doing here (you believe you've proved something without providing proves.
1- Again which opinion you are talking about? I don't recall my self giving my opinion on something, I reported scientific, and quotes from the person them selves I didn't advance anything from there, unlike you, I've pointed out each time you advanced something on your own. Shall I quote each time you've done this and list it below just to prove this once and for all?
Also it's funny how now you've changed your reply from your list is fud (and I can quote you denying it) to there are people in that list that aren't religious? wasn't the whole argument here, that religion makes people stupid? and only stupid people follow religion? so the existence of such list that you cannot denies and one which you focus on one or two person to try discredited is a proof on it self that not only you are wrong, but your whole argumentation is unwholesome.
2- antisemite? what are you talking about here, I stated fact and to prove how your argumentation is malsain again you are derailing and not answering the facts I provided, Judaism is not a RACE or ETHNICITY it is a RELIGION, people who follow Judaism are Jewish as there are Muslims or Christians, this is fact, ANYONE can become Jewish or Muslim, or Christian being regardless of their ETHENICITY, there are Arab Jewish, Asian Jewish, Black Jewish, White Jewish, Berber Jewish... this is a FACT, I want to see arguing against this. As for the rest of you argument, there are people that claim to be things they aren't to benefit them selves, I saw people claiming to be Muslims to get feed during Ramadan for free or to get help from Muslim organization, I saw some other doing the same thing, to get free housing from Catholic organizations and help, I saw some claiming to be Jew, to get financial help for their business, this is a fact as well, I'm talking about people who believes and call them selfs Jew for a reason, and during the Einstein era, being a Jew in Austria and Germany was not an advantage in fact it was the total opposite sadly yet he always presented him self as a Jew (I'm not going to talk about the cruel things that Jews, gays and ethnicities (It wasn't only Jews for reference) suffered during the Nazi era and how those atrocities are horrible and makes sad that's a whole other debate).
3- there is nothing to rephrase there are some mistakes but as a whole the comment is clear, you Quote Sagan and Einstein and then you try and explain what they are saying putting words on their mouth and transforming the whole perspective and meaning of the quote. Not only but the quotes you used only proves my argument as explained, Sagan him self said he is an Egnostic and this is I'm sure something I said my self, and I said he is an Egnostic Theist, because he never denied GOD, and consider Atheism to be stupid. (see no opinions here only facts).
4- Only argument I have ? just a little reminder and to put things into perspective shall we :
Original claim was :
"people that follow religion are stupid, only stupid people follow religion, religion is the source of many problems"My original answer was :
It's the religion fault but peoples stupidity that makes do stupid things, around half of the world most proficient scientist are religions, and I listed presenting a dozen of scientist that changed our world.
Yet you've claimed that what I said is FUD because there is one or two scientist that are not religious how is this even an argumentation, not only you cannot prove the list is fake/wrong/false which you are avoiding here, but you are trying to discredit by focusing on one or two scientist, that didn't say clearly, I'm Christian for example end of story (like the others did, they had a clear stance) like I told you whole argumentation is malsain
The existence of only one proficient scientist proves my point (that there exist religious people that are as intelligent is not more intelligent than their atheist counterpart but I presented a list of people that changed our world and our understanding of science as a whole I also stated another fact is more than half of the most proficient scientist right now are religious. So not only you are nitpicking you are avoiding at all cost to talk about the rest of the list.
Yes, but technology is not foolproof and all-knowing and omnipresent; accidents happen and people make mistakes. Human error is a factor in most accidents.
Indeed it is not, and never said it is, what I'm saying despite all the available means of collaboration, they are not using them and still posting contradicting and misleading informations.