what if I restore with the "ledger" seed, then add a passphrase and finally move them? (this last part is also unclear in my mind

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If I understand correctly, you already have funds in your normal wallet so if you were to add a passphrase to your used seed phrase, it'd just lead to an
empty passphrase-protected wallet!
- This should be done when you're setting up your wallet for the first time, but only do it if you "fully" understand everything about it.