Despite these challenges, do you think there are still opportunities during economic downturns?
Of course, there are, and optimistic people will usually always find opportunities even in difficult circumstances, for example during the pandemic where many businesses closed due to bankruptcy but there are also those that are actually growing rapidly, this is what I see around me which can turn its business into a shop online and getting fantastic sales, indeed the scope is not too big because it is not the result of research and so on, but at least it can prove that difficult circumstances are not always a barrier for us to be able to find opportunities in terms of business and so on.
Tax costs always create obstacles for new business people and at that time the country was under pressure so it would be difficult for us to find a solution so that we could create a good policy for the whole of society, even though at that time we were able to create the latest innovations and to find space, I think it was very It is difficult when the economic crisis is ongoing, when this happens we continue to sell assets that are valuable to us in order to survive.