Wow!!!

Starting out pretty BIG for a newbie.. and supposedly an "already in-shape pusher."


You probably are not completely wrong on this matter, yet it can be a bit problematic to go too far down the road to dietary relativism, and to proclaim that everyone can do what they like in terms of figuring out their own proper balance.

Sure some folks can tolerate bad foods more than others including having good genetics or even having an ancestral history in which they might have had more of a certain kind of food in their diet, but dietary relativism can ONLY go so far in terms of our accepting some of the bad, wrong and/or incorrect/misleading information regarding some kinds of foods and some kinds of food-like products that we probably either should not be eating or ONLY eating in small moderation or in some kind of an emergency situation.. maybe going back to the butter versus margarine example.  People probably should not be eating margarine... but food companies are still allowed to make such inferior products and to market them as if they were almost the same as butter.. and there are quite a few other examples like that, and surely I am not quite sure about the solution to these kinds of food quality (or food substitute) matters, even if we consider various GMOs or aspartame as a sugar substitute, the irradiation of food without our knowledge, or even the creation of artificial meats that are sludge and/or various combination of meat and meat substitutes and frequently misleading, various ways of putting corn and/or soy products into foods in misleading ways... and part of the reason that I have concerns about overly intervening is that I become somewhat worried to have too much BIG Daddy government into some of these matter, yet at the same time, part of the problem might have had come from BIG daddy government's allowing and sometimes even promoting some of the substitution of real foods for processed foods that are clearly inferior if we really were to allow the looking into the matters.


Could be helpful depending on how some of this is used.


Everything in moderation is a problematic philosophy when it comes to some of the dietary matters.  There are problems with the vegan and vegetarian  mindsets and/or framing of matters, and surely the vegan route is even more problematic than the vegetarian one.. even though surely there may well be some decent ideology motivations behind both ideas, even when they likely are problematic for actual personal health..   though surely some folks can tolerate variations of vegan and vegetarian diets more than others.. .. and maybe something like a mostly whole foods vegetarian diet that still includes eggs and some fish or something like that might still end up with all of the nutrients in the diet without the need for various kinds of supplements to make up for deficiencies that would come if purely following a vegetarian diet..

We can probably ONLY go so far in terms of arguing these kinds of points, and probably getting way beyond the topic of this thread. .even though surely  to the extent that we are doing pushups for personal health reasons, many of us (including yours truly do end up putting diet and sleep) as being slightly higher than exercise.. and really exercise can really vary with folks, and some of them have chimed into this thread with a kind of anti-pushup way of framing matters, but still may accept a premise that some kind of physically active lifestyle would be preferred over a physically inactive lifestyle, so we still might get some acceptance of the role of exercise/activities but not necessarily having agreement about pushups, resistance training or other kinds of specifically exercise driven activities to be necessary to purposefully do so long as there is a decent amount of other ways of staying physically active... which surely might have some truth to it.


You quoted me (but failed to show from where it came - which I corrected above), but you did not respond to any of my points beyond saying that you appreciate them..   

In some kind of a way isn't your lack of a substantive response a wee bit ridiculous?  especially since you stated that you appreciate that I took my time to point out some matters, but you still did not say anything of substance in your response.


Yes.  From my perspective, I am inferring that you must not want to be included in the table.. That's your choice.


Interesting.  I wonder if your trainer's nutritional chart is retarded or not?  It is funny that some guys might want to consider that there might be some expertise behind certain kinds of charts, especially from someone like a personal trainer..  but you would think that personal trainers should know what they are talking about... at least in theory.  It's up to you if you want to share such nutritional charts so maybe some of us (including yours truly) may want to consider what we might think about such nutritional chart.  So part of my point is that merely because a personal trainer says it, that would not necessarily mean that it is free from either bad or misleading information.

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By the way.. I noticed that the current status of the poll to this thread is that 73 members had expressed some level of interest in doing pushups, and so I wonder the extent to which aspiring to get 100 or more members to participate in the submission of formal reports (in order to get their names in the table) is very realistic.. .. at least in the short-term.. unless maybe there might be some guys who want to attempt to lobby to get more pusher participants.. and surely, I am not very much interested in actual lobbying, since my own thoughts are that forum members who are interested in such topic will have some ability to gravitate towards this thread, and sooner or later we are likely going to end up having more than 100 forum members in the pushup thread.. ..

Another competing theory is Dunbar's number.. so theoretically, there might be some "natural" limits in terms of how many members feel comfortable joining into an already pre-existing group as the group gets BIGGER (I am kind of kidding about Dunbar's number, but does not hurt to throw out various possible and potential theories).