I think that you are engaging in distraction and perversion/convolution of what I said, and I am not sure whether you are engaging in such gobble-dee-gook speech on purpose.

Trading is stupid, especially when it comes to bitcoin.

Bitcoin is one of the best investments known to man, so why should anyone be fucking around with trading?  I think trading (which frequently can end up devolving into gambling) is a bad idea (and gambling is even worse), even though people can do what they like.

And, yeah so there are levels of irresponsible actions that people could take when it comes to whether the trade, invest, gamble or get involved in shitcoins, and if they are using money that they need for expenses within the next 4-10 years or longer for investing, then they are likely going overboard, since investments tend to be a long time, including with bitcoin the commitment should be 4-10 years or more if there is a desire to invest into bitcoin.. and yeah there are folks who want to play the price swings for relatively short periods of time.

I believe that those people who invest less than 4 years in regards to bitcoin are traders and/or gamblers rather than investors, and sure there could also be ways to responsibly trade/gamble.. though personally I don't recommend them or to discuss them as if they were equals, and especially I would consider that there would need to be some care with position size when more risky behaviors are entered into, even if the aim ends up being to trade rather than invest, there can be ways to adjust the position size so that it is not as crazy if losses end up resulting. 

I frequently suggest that people do not trade, do not gamble, do not involve yourself in shitcoins, yet if you cannot resist the temptation of your own desires, then at least limit your exposure to those activities to no more than 10% the size of your bitcoin investment.. though many of us likely realize that traders who devolve into gamblers cannot help their own temptations to put in more and more an more into their trades and into their working capital.. which is frequently referred to as greed. .and sooner or later is likely to blow up, even if there might be long periods of "winning streaks."

So yeah, the same principles apply in regards to investing or trading in regards to taking the money from discretionary income rather than money that you need for expense, and also the principle of don't invest, trade, gamble or shitcoin any more than you can afford to lose apply to all of them, yet even if the same principles apply to each of those activities, the activities are neither equal concepts and it becomes problematic to convolute them to talk about them like they were the same thing or that they were comparable ways to spend money. .. which they are not.

I start to get the sense that I should not even talk about these topics anymore when guys pervert and convolute the ideas in order to act like trading and/or gambling is a good idea or to try to suggest that just because there is risk in bitcoin, to suggest all risk is the same, which it is not, and some risks are easier to mitigate than others.  Sometimes talking about the topic, such as saying that all income that is not tied to expenses that is not expenses is discretionary income so you can use that money as you, like, but if you choose to invest, trade, shitcoin gamble, then you should not be using money that you cannot afford to lose, that does not say that they are the same thing, yet it still seems to inevitably devolves into opening the door to giving too much praise to trading, gambling and shitcoining, even though I know that there can be responsible ways to trade/gamble and shitcoin, but it still tends to not be good ideas and/or practices.  Many people should not be allowing themselves to be distracted by bells and whistles of trading/gambling and/or shitcoining, and to be learning bitcoin first before getting themselves distracted into affinity scam nonsense (affinity scam largely just means that comparisons are being made to make certain things seem like other things, so if a person is affinity scamming trading as compared to investing, they may well be making suggesting that they are the same and/or similar, which they mostly are not.. especially if you create practices that are not in the overlapping area since one can devolve into the other when either one of them is done in sloppy ways that does not distinguish)... 

It can take years to focus on bitcoin, to learn about bitcoin, to learn about how bitcoin fits into your life and cashflow management, including that bitcoin's level of volatility would also be needed to be worked into the way that anyone chooses to invest into it including position size and cashflow management considerations, and to really get a good bitcoin strategy going and then maybe at that point some portion of the time, energy and value could be allowed to be spent on  shitcoins and trading/gambling if there is still desire and/or the temptation remains irresistible to get distracted into those inferior activities... hopefully no more than 10% the value of the bitcoin holdings..and yeah in the end, people can do whatever they want, even dumb stuff, while believing themselves to be smarter than everyone else in regards to either trading bitcoin or trading shitcoins.