I totally agree with your statement: from time to time I also read some financial forums or even FIRE forums, and to me it's crazy how almost nobody on those forums considers bitcoin as form of investment. And those few users who try to start a discussion about it usually are just told to go play at the casino because it's the same thing. And we're talking about people who should know how to invest. I just don't get it. I guess all the fud we had the in the last years did a great job, people are really brainwashed.