IMO any company that took money for products they reasonably should have known would not be delivered in time to be profitable, while at the same time lying about their ability to deliver should be labeled as scams. That includes HF and BFL.
+1 I agree with that.
At this point it is clear that BFL is not just incompetent in getting a 28nm to market it really is fraud. Given the way the three card monty the orders from Jala's to Monarch to Cloud hashing. You can't really believe it takes 30 to 45 days to get a refund does it? This is counter to FTC regulation and they are breaking the law plain and simple. It is a scam. Now for HF the long trail of changing ToS and NDA type refunds is a huge warning to everyone not to do business with them.
I might add that Dogie is championing Avalon as a renewed trustworthy supplier but we still have not been given any explanations of what really went on and how they have changed significantly so that we are given proper updates as customers. Until that is cleared up I wouldn't recommend buying anything from Avalon they have to earn that trust back and I am willing to listen to Avalon as it moves forward without Yifu but what has changed on the customer relations end is really important. Are they going to communicate with the community when people put in tickets this time? What has changed? Nothing I have seen in the forums indicates that they have a new way of dealing with complaints. They might need a CRM team who speak English I think and are in communication with Avalon daily otherwise why bother buying from Avalon?