I can still blame the various dummies, and maybe even berate them by calling them dumb and/or retarded for not knowing the difference.


Sure. It can be confusing, and there is a lot of misinformation in the world, and each of us has a responsibility to aim towards figuring out the difference between good information and bad information, and if we say something stupid, then we probably deserve to get verbally beaten up for our having had expressed dumbness through our actions and/or through out words.

We don't need to agree in regards to how we might discuss such matters, and perhaps it could possibly be true that my way of trying to talk about bitcoin versus shitcoin might not resonate with some others as well as someone who might attempt to be more diplomatic in regards to how they discuss the topic.


Surely, I don't mind if people talk about bitcoin versus shitcoins, and maybe they might have questions or they might not even know the difference, and surely that happens in this forum and even comes up in various forum threads.

There likely are some forum threads that are more basic than other forum threads, yet surely it can take a bit of time for newer forum members to learn about bitcoin, to learn how to express themselves without being overly vague and without misleading other forum members (even if they might not have had intended to mislead anyone).  Sometimes members might need to read a bit more before they post, or maybe ask questions if they might not be sure about how to use terms like crypto versus bitcoin, and yeah, some forum members who end up getting verbally beat up are somewhat innocent in their inadvertent use of vague and/or misleading language.


There are some forum threads that are more bitcoin focused than others, and some forum threads that are about trading and other threads that are about investing, and sometimes it might not be exactly clear about the thrust of the topic of the thread, and so just on the surface, this thread seems to have some ideas of trading, which could imply that this thread might even be accepting of ideas of shitcoins versus bitcoin, so many times, I will be more tolerant in regards to my getting worked up about the language of other forum members when the thread title (and/or the OP) is a bit ambiguous in regards to whether we might be talking about trading rather than investing, so from my own perspective once the discussion of trading is potentially part of the topic, then there is a bit more allowance to mention shitcoins, even though from my own perspective, it still can become irritating if any forum member is not clarifying if he is talking about bitcoin or shitcoins, and when he uses the term crypto and he is also seeming to want to talk about bitcoin, then it becomes even more frustrating because it becomes unclear what he is even talking about.  So then a valid question is whether he talking about bitcoin or not? and if he is talking about bitcoin, then why did he use the term crypto?  

Surely there could be some contexts in which a poster might be talking about both bitcoin and various cryptos in a kind of general sense, so it seems to me that it is preferable that we can get some sense for what is meant by the chosen language.. .. so yeah, the more irritating posts are the ones that say crypto various times and don't even mention the word bitcoin, so it becomes difficult to even know what is meant, so I doubt that we need to be letting those kinds of posters off of the hook when they use such vague and misleading and non-specific language...and yeah, sure, not everyone is going to agree about my perspective on the choice of language topic... .and surely part of my own concern also is that many disingenuine posters will derail threads through their use of gobble-dee-gook and nonspecific language... so from my own perspective, many times it will be better to either point out the vague language or to berate members who use such vague language, since frequently it can be difficult to figure out if they might not be using such vague language on purpose in order to derail the thread... or to mislead people about bitcoin or to attack bitcoin or to subtly pump some baloney shitcoin or some baloney shitcoin talking point.


We can agree to disagree.  I already made my point.


Your continuing to want to discuss or argue about the topic is either repetitive or comes off as showing that you still don't understand the point, even if you are proclaiming to understand the point.


From my perspective, you are over thinking it... and you have a right to believe whatever you like, even what I perceive to be a ill-informed framework for contemplating the topic.


I doubt that your explanation is helping to make matters more clear, but whatever, we don't need to agree.  

From my own perspective, I see no reason to repeat how I already framed the matter.


Personally, I doubt that it is accurate to say that "everything is unpredictable with bitcoin," especially since many of us invest into bitcoin because we think that we have ideas about where it may be going, so the mere fact that we don't know with certainty does not mean that we aren't able to figure out some kind of bitcoin investment thesis and then to figure out how we are going to allocate in regards to our bitcoin-related investment thesis.

Maybe an example will help?

These might be my various theories in regards to bitcoin's future price direction... and I did a couple other variations of this with my actual then predictions in another thread on December 16, 2021 for upside scenarios and timeline and I added a downside variation of my then prediction on May 16, 2022

Theory 1   10.56%

Theory 2  2.2543%

Theory 3  13.782%

Theory 4  43.21564 %

Theory 5  0.0326%

Theory 6  5.32 %

Theory 7  9.4532 %

Theory 8   12.219321%

Theory 9  3.162939 %

You notice that all of these theories add up to 100%, so presumptively they include all possibilities, and even though I perceive some of the theories to have greater odds than others, it does not even meant that my highest odd prediction is going to happen, and it does not even mean that I am wrong if a lower odd scenario ends up playing out.  The theories will likely even change over time as certain events happen to change the odds of some of the theories, or to add or subtract theories.  So even from my own actual prediction in my above link thread from December 16, 2021 and May 16,2022, we can see that my prediction could end up being greatly wrong, yet they were the ones that I had at the times that I was making the post, and perhaps even 1-2 days later, there could have had been subsequent facts that either contribute towards changing my then base case or adding or subtracting theories (other possible non-zero probability scenarios).   And, surely my own assessment may well (and likely is) quite different from another persons, and maybe there are some folks who share similar ideas about some of the scenarios but not about other possible scenarios.


I am not going to try to dispute any of this, and surely it take a while to accumulate bitcoin, so surely we could spend a decent amount of time buying bitcoin and even holding bitcoin while bitcoin may well be going up and down in the short term, yet our ongoing investment into it would still likely be supported by our studying it and developing some confidence over it, and hopefully, we develop confidence and conviction that goes beyond merely looking at historical price charts.. yet sure, it might not always be easy to figure out which pieces of information about bitcoin are more important than others, whether we are looking at BTC price performance or perhaps some other bitcoin-related metrics (and/or value-assessment indicators).


For sure.  Sometimes it can take time for newbies to figure out better ways to talk about their assessments of bitcoin (and/or crypto), and to figure out which questions that they might need to ask or that they might need to further research into.