The reason these debates aren't real, aren't sincere, and are full of vitriol and silliness is because everyone is trying to avoid the question: Whats bitcoin's optimal use case?

Whats the goal gents? What are we trying to do here? 

Ur conman talking about a means...to an undefined ends.  Because defining the ends defines the means. 

Thus the bitcoin community is a sybil attack.  Let me in the dialogue...I'll show you the conmen.

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