tvbcof - Your opinions are poisonous. You've stated enough of your perspective that any sane or logical person would take offense at your intentions. This is a summary of what I've read from you above:
- You're a gun owner yet you disagree with the Second Amendment. You claim to support "your Second Amendment rights" but you disagree completely with its fundamental purpose and with any civil intervention.
- You've acknowledged that you'll be willing to relinquish your "right" once the government tells you to, you've also shown that you will blame the "militia" when that day comes.
- You claim that certain government officials are directly responsible for 9/11 and the subsequent cover-up, yet you support the idea of government issued terrorism perpetrated against its own people.
- You've asserted that the money of which Bundy refused to pay for grazing fees come at the expense of you and "the tax payer"; you're as wrong as can be here. These aren't taxes, they're "fees" and they aren't even close to being the same thing.
- You seem intelligent enough to put pieces together yet very sinister. Your reactions toward these conclusions you draw is indicative of sociopathy. You obviously prefer pain and suffering over peaceful cohabitation. You probably don't understand why you feel this way but you would likely feel "at peace" in the event of nuclear war.
- You speak ill of entitlements and yet assert that an injustice has occurred which adversely affects you. You're no party to any injustice here and your assertion that he pay these fees because "it hurts you and the other tax payers" is your own feeling of entitlement over what he spends his money on. His choice to pay the fees doesn't affect you at all. You can't look at this situation objectively because you feel entitled (or at least you convey the sentiments of entitlement in your word choices).
Just a quote for posterity... This is sickening.
Prior to the Bundy incident, I would have been basically in support of the effort to have various federal agencies (IRS, BLM, etc) shed their rapidly developing militarized enforcement wings. The reason for this is the same reason I don't want to have the NSA doing bulk surveillance. There are inherent risks which very likely will be realized at some point. When an organization (or a person) has some capability there is a natural need to used it from time to time even in cases where it is uncalled for. Worse than that, though, it really is a framework that Snowden describes as 'turnkey tyrrany.' It provides an option for solving certain big problems in a certain way, and it is a place that I don't want to go. At the very least, it is an inefficient use of resources.
Alas, the Bundy affair has made it clear that there really is a need to have a militarized force capable of non-trivial military operations. I'm even less inclined to use the actual military for such operations than I would be to have various federal and state agencies have the capability.
The most rational approach seems to be to have one unified, centralized, and militarized unit, and to have a great deal of visibility into all aspects of their operation.
One aspect of such a structure is that there would be mobility issues. That is a feature and not a bug as I see it. Any actions they might take should be very deliberate.
Another aspect of such a structure is that they would not have some of the tactical advantages of surprise and covertness. That is also a feature and not a bug. The entire public should have visibility into every aspect of their operations. Yes, it makes the unit less effective tactically, but it's a price worth paying to achieve very critical public support.
If I were the pres, I would say something like this:
We have an extra-ordinary and threatening situation at Bundy's ranch. For this reason it is as of this time considered a special zone where certain normal rights are suspended.
Everyone who is currently within this special zone is ordered to leave immediately. Those leaving will be evaluated to determine if they have participated in activities which are in violation of any specific laws. Failure to comply with this order is a violation of blah, blah, blah, and the penalties will include blah, blah, blah.
On May 2nd at 0200, we will commence operations to secure the entire area. These operations will be concluded by 0600 hours of the same day. Survivors will be subject to punitive measures as described above.
All events will be documented with audio and video, and all of the documentation will be provided to the media.
Observers from a variety of adversarial organizations will be invited to take part of this operation to facilitate documentation and provide oversight.
My honest opinion is that you need help... You should try meditation, art, music, something that utilizes your right brain. Your views are sacred to you but they are wrong for the rest of the world because they will only lead to pain and death. If you can resolve your subconscious desire for destruction then I think you'll change your views. You seem like a smart person but your goals should be redefined...
To expand on another point:
The Oath Keepers is just a name; the idea for which the Oath Keepers have pledged their lives isn't. You can smear the reputation of a group but you can't stop the beliefs supported within the group. When the gauntlet comes down, the Oath Keepers will be there. There'll be no safe place for tyrants...
It's like you said above; it's not guns that change outcomes. It's the strong desire for change that affects outcomes. You can't stop innovation; removing the guns from an Oath Keeper is like bailing out the titanic with a bucket. Oath Keepers are everywhere and have tolerated the usurpation of individual and State's rights in hopes of nonviolent change.
You can stretch a rubber band to a point, but once you exceed the stress limit of a rubber band there is no more tolerance for stress... What was acceptable yesterday will no longer be acceptable. The little injustices become intolerable and the result is war on tyranny... Your consent or agreement means nothing at that point. What we have here at the Bundy Ranch is evidence that the metaphorical "rubber band" is stretched to the point where it is now showing its cracks...