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Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]
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BADecker
on 13/08/2025, 02:53:14 UTC

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I am not sure how you intend to relate something Biden says with following an international agreement. These are so different in nature that I am guessing you are desperatetly trying to find something to say? The closes you are going to get is to the US systematically breaking the treaties with the original inhabitants of North America - if that qualifies as international.

Many posts ago, I did give you the exact bits of the Ukranian constitution that do not allow elections and under which context. But you do not care about democracy in Ukraine, you are just seeking a way of manipulating.

I was wondering... when will Putin decide to face free elections with multiple oposing candidates (as oppossed to killing them)? Rethorical, do not bother.



I'm answering WillyApp's post about believing presidents words. You seem to want to differentiate between the lies presidents say. International agreements get broken by all sides all the time, or were you not aware of this? US has been violating Cuba's international rights which overwhelming majority of the world has been condemning for 60 years now, so? You see what Israel is doing in Gaza with total US support, but i guess you have explanations on how that's totally different?

Once again stop using straw man fallacy, you're well aware that I'm talking about Ukrainain PRESIDENTIAL elections and NOT PARLIAMENT elections! You're the one totally ignoring Ukrainian constitution which sets the exact term and the exact day Presidential elections must take place.

When you consider that elections in Iraq and Afghanistan were considered "free", by that measurement Russia's elections were definitely much "free'er".
To my friends, anything; to my enemies, the law

When you get right down to the nitty-gritty, all this talk about elections means nothing. Why? Because in martial law the leader is a dictator. Who is going to refute him since he has complete authority. All anybody has to do is try, and hope he is merciful enough to give them life in prison rather than death in a firing squad.

It makes for fun talks to guess what parliament might do in Ukraine if there were elections. But nothing counts until Zelensky allows it.

First take Z down, and then talk about elections.


Vance Announces Major Breakthrough In Ukraine, Says Kiev Must Relinquish Land & US Won’t Supply Weapons



https://www.infowars.com/posts/vance-announced-major-breakthrough-in-ukraine-says-kiev-must-relinquish-land-us-wont-supply-weapons
On Sunday Vice President JD Vance went on Fox News where he discussed The White House's progress on President Donald Trump's peace plan. He said that Washington is done funding Kiev, as well as reiterated statements from Trump that Ukraine must relinquish some of the land it has lost to Russia during the war, something Ukraine's Dictator remains defiant about.

"Americans, I think, are sick of continuing to send their money, their tax dollars, to this particular conflict. But if the Europeans want to step up and buy the weapons from American producers, we're okay with that. But we're not going to fund it ourselves anymore," he said.

Vance began discussing the Ukraine topic at 5:40 into the video:

The Vice President explained that Trump's team has been working tirelessly to bring an end to the conflict. Territorial concessions will be part of the settlement, although he admitted that not everyone will be happy, likely referencing Zelensky's defiant social media rantings from Saturday.

"If you take where the current line of contact between Russia and Ukraine is, we're going to try to find some negotiated settlement that the Ukrainians and the Russians can live with," Vance said. "…it's not going to make anybody super happy."

One of the main logjams, Vance said, has been Russian President Vladimir Putin's reluctance to make a formal deal with Ukraine's Dictator Vladimir Zelensky.

The Vice President said this is why Trump is set to meet Putin in-person on Friday, as well as revealed that now Trump's team is working on scheduling a meeting between the three leaders (Trump, Putin and Zelensky).
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Vance Says US 'Done Funding Ukraine War' - Demands Europe Step Up



https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/vance-says-us-done-funding-ukraine-war-demands-europe-step
"We're done with the funding of the Ukraine war business. We want to bring about a peaceful settlement to this thing," Vance told Fox News' "Sunday Morning Futures".

"Americans, I think, are sick of continuing to send their money, their tax dollars of this particular conflict but if the Europeans want to step up and actually buy the weapons from American producers we're OK with that, but we're not going to fund it ourselves anymore," the vice president continued.

So while this seems a step in the right direction of finding peace settlement, his comments still signify a White House greenlight of sorts to keep the proxy war going.

Already this more 'indirect' system of supplying Kiev has been in effect for some time - which sees European nations purchase and transfer American miltary hardware for Ukraine. And so it's not exactly a full commitment to turn the US arms pipeline off, and in some ways it could lead to less restrictions on the type of advanced hardware given to Ukraine. Dozens of F-16s have already been transfered to Ukraine's air force in this way.

Vance in the Fox appearance commented on the open question of whether Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky will also be present at the venue for the Trump-Putin summit.

While admitting that it wouldn't be a good idea for Putin and Zelensky to meet directly at this early phase, Vance held out hope that this could soon be arranged based on progress made.

"One of the most important logjams is that Vladimir Putin said that he would never sit down with Zelensky, the head of Ukraine, and the president has now got that to change," he said.

The vice president added that White House is working on "scheduling and things like that around when these three leaders could sit down and discuss an end to this conflict."

Zelensky is still making his voice known amid concerns that Ukraine's interests could be sidelined. "Ukraine is ready for real decisions that can bring peace. Any decisions that are against us, any decisions that are without Ukraine, are at the same time decisions against peace," he asserted in a video posted on X.
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