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Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
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JayJuanGee
on 22/08/2025, 20:50:45 UTC
Of course, you can ultimately do whatever you like.  While 50% is better than what a lot of guys do, I still would suggest that if you consider yourself to still be in your accumulation phase that you should put more into your locked up funds, perhaps 75% or more.  I personally suggest that guys do not fuck around with any more than 10% of their bitcoin stash, but yeah it would be hard to get you to move that far and if you have been having a positive experience with what you are doing, then perhaps you have figured out some kind of a selling ratio that actually doesn't cause all of your "trading stash" to be sold.
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By the way if a guy is already weekly buying of BTC, then he is already likely to catch many dips, and he can also manually execute his weekly buys to potentially increase his chances of getting some level of dip, even though it can sometimes be difficult to completely get the dip.. and in the long run, it may not matter too much about whether guys are buying dips or not as long as they are regularly buying they may well end up in a better position rather than trying to figure out dips and maybe lapsing into waiting strategies rather than buying strategies.. but sure, yeah, guys gotta figure out these balances for themselves in terms of how much of one thing or another might help them to feel more comfortable with what they are doing.. and yeah, it does feel good to make your weekly $100 buy at $113k rather than at $116k, even though maybe it is not going to make a whole hell of a lot of difference in the whole scheme of things beyond just making you feel a little better for a short period of time.
I agree with all of your suggestions and to be honest, I've not lost any money from the trading side but of course trading can't be comparable to long term accumulation and holding of Bitcoin that most of us do as investors. However, I've made my mind that 50% is for investment and 50% is for trading, and to be honest I've been enjoying that approach because with trading 50% I make profits from time to time and with the rest of the 50% I'm increasing my stash.

You can measure however, you like, but if we look at a guy with a couple of cycles under his belt and one of them was just accumulating and not doing anything else and the other was trading half of his stash, he is likely ging to do worse than the accumulator. 

Of course, you have an ability to measure your investing side versus your trading side to the exent that you might have had been keeping good track and if you had been engaged in such a thing since your form registration date since August 2016, I have my doubts that your trading side could have had beaten your investing side. Sure it is possible, but not likely.

Let's look at a possible Investing side scenario... I am going to move the date up a few months since the DCA website ONLY allows going to April 2025.

So lets look at 9 years and 1 month starting from March 2016 and going until April 2025.  We have $47.6k invested and we have 13.07 BTC.  It seems difficult for a trader to beat those results.

Of course, if the person had put all $47.6k in as a lump sum, he would have 110.35 BTC, even harder to beat that, even though I am not going to presume guys to necessarily have their investment capital up front.

https://dcacryptocalculator.com/bitcoin/?start_date=2016-03-01&finish_date=2025-04-11&regular_investment=100&currency_code=USD&investment_interval=weekly&exchange_fee=2

Are you saying that you could have (and did) beat either of those results with your trading versus your investing side of your practices? 

Maybe you have not been practicing 8 years, but if you practice your likely fucking around for 8-ish  years, you are like going to have similar kinds of disparate results between your investing stash and your trading stash.. to the extent that you are not cheating.

Although, at one point I'll surely consider to increase my investing level to 70% or even to 80% but as of this time 50% is okay for my needs. It's like saving, investing, trading, DCAying, and dip buying approach and to be honest this has helped me a lot and I'm quite satisfied from this approach as of this time. I would say again that there's no alternative of long term holding when it comes to Bitcoin, only those who hold for long term will make the most money from that type of holding. But, for me the present time of my life matters as well and that's the reason why I'm into trading.

 I doubt that trading helps you with your present time of life except causes you to lose more money as compared to if you had put the money into investing rather than trading..

But, hey, you can believe what you like... in terms of how much capital you allocate to each.

Let's say if my 50% for trading is around $15k to $25k and I make 5-10% from each dip then that's more than enough for me to keep my current money and enjoy sometime with the short term profits.

You think that you can figure out dips?  I doubt that you are doing as good as you claim to be doing... but sure you can have some bitcoin and you can peel off some profits at various points of time rather than continuing to allow it to run..  so in some sense you might be overinvesting in bitcoin and not keeping enough spending money, since apparently you cash out the spending money and then consume with it when it is in profits.

Let's say if I get around $1500-$2500 in profit with that approach without losing my initial capital then that's good income to enjoy a month or two.

Why not just put $12.5k to 22.5k into bitcoin and then keep the remainder for your spending while you allow the other portion to be invested rather than traded?  It is because you are likely not calculating properly and you are looking at short term cash that you supposedly make when the money would be better to be allowed to compound upon itself rather than scalped on a regular basis.

You can believe what you like in terms of how you are calculating it.  I doubt that the actual numbers support your assertion of supposedly getting profits without suffering from opportunity costs of fucking around with ongoingly selling too much bitcoin too soon.

But yeah, believe what you like..
 
While, adding more to it with DCA would surely increase it as well overtime and at the same time my Bitcoin stash is also growing slowly. Whatever I buy with 50% of money during major dips will always be for long term holding, and no matter if price moves to $150k or even $300k I won't be selling that 50% which's into Bitcoin.

Of course your investment portion is going to be doing fine.  I doubt that you are really benefiting as much as you have convinced yourself into believing with the trading portion, and you likely could reduce that trading portion to much smaller numbers, perhaps less than 10% of the size of your bitcoin investment stash, or maybe you could go a bit higher with the percent that you allow for fucking around.. but not 50%.. that is too much... since it seems to be a likely losing proposition the way you seem to be currently doing it and just assuming that you are benefiting from it...even though you seem to be fantasizing otherwise with your likely sales through the years that would have had been way better off to just let them ride in bitcoin (and to compound in value.. .) .

I find it so surprising when I see people so eagerly "buying the dip" and feeling so happy about it, when the price drops a bit.
So, let's say one has $1000 and he "buys the dip" ($112k) ---> 0.0089 BTC.
And then there's OG Saylor who "buys now, whatever the price" ($117k) ---> 0.0085 BTC.

Then Bitcoin goes to $1M.
"Buy the dip" guy: $8900
OG Saylor: $8500
Is $400 so important in a $7500+ profit?

I think the best advice for no-/low-coiners is to "buy when you can, market price, whatever the price, don't wait for a dip (which may never come)".
Worked fine for me.
Do a dca and a buy the dip.
I AM DOING 0.001 BTC via mining every day.

And I have a ladder down auto dip buy.
Plus if If I happen to be at the pc and see a live time dip I buy it.

So this last week dca of just  over  0.007 btc
4 ladder drops of 0.004 btc
And around 1000 usd of boredom manual buy the dips.

My sales are ladder up at 125k to 250k
I have cash on the side to allow for 1 year of mining bills which should get me .365 btc at current dca numbers.

No problem with ongoing buys. The problem is selling prior to reaching overaccumulation status.

I doubt very many (if any) of the guys who reached overaccumulation status sold any of their bitcoin in their first cycle or perhaps longer (except maybe spend and replace kinds of practices).