And I did claim this group does not have 8000 btc+ , and that they (1 or 2 guys) got burned hard on the 80k+ push.
You shouldn't put it on them.
Most involved in this epic pump to 90k and dump were the Chinese (and panic buyers, later panic sellers). I have logs to "prove" so.
Whether they got burned or not doesn't matter. The fact that they tried is what matters.