Re: It's official! The Bitcoin Foundation has an accused pedophile on its board.
This is such a shame, and embarrassing.
I can't help but feel bad for Bruce. I recently had dinner with Jered of TradeHill and Bruce in NY where BitInstant is based, and I could only say good things.
Bruce is one of Bitcoins largest allies and advocators, it would be a big blow to the community of these allegations are true.
Let's try and remain objective until the facts come to light
Charlie
I can't help but feel bad for Bruce. I recently had dinner with Jered of TradeHill and Bruce in NY where BitInstant is based, and I could only say good things.
Bruce is one of Bitcoins largest allies and advocators, it would be a big blow to the community of these allegations are true.
Let's try and remain objective until the facts come to light
Charlie
The original of the following can be seen here: http://www.gaythailand.com/forums/topic/724-the-500-baht-virgin/page-4#entry4167
Can you at least explain these?
so sometimes men = boys, and sometime it refers to two different groups?
For those who don't know, punlman is Bruce (you can check his blog, or this screenie:
Quote from: Bruce Wagner
brucewagner said:
Men and Boys: Ever pee in a bottle in public? take my anonymous poll http://ping.fm/Y6xyQ
1 year, 7 months ago.
I'm dying to go back to Pattaya, Thailand... Paradise on Earth.
1 year, 7 months ago.
Men and Boys: Ever pee in a bottle in public? take my anonymous poll http://ping.fm/Y6xyQ
1 year, 7 months ago.
I'm dying to go back to Pattaya, Thailand... Paradise on Earth.
1 year, 7 months ago.
so sometimes men = boys, and sometime it refers to two different groups?
For those who don't know, punlman is Bruce (you can check his blog, or this screenie:
I will take a survey of the ACTUAL REAL adults who attended this past Conference.... ( not the endless personas here belonging to 13-year-old bitcoin and libertarian haters ) and I will ask them if they would prefer Pattaya, or some other destination. It makes little difference to me.
So, if I get it right, it all makes little difference to you. If it makes so little difference, then the only reason you are so stubbornly sticking to Pattaya is to spite the people on these forums and/or to rub it in their face that they could not attend your meeting in NY?
Come on Bruce. We know it DOES make a difference to you. We know you have some hidden agenda to stick to Pattaya, and that agenda is actually not so hidden anymore. And you know what, I bet that if you had just said it out straight at the first questions you got, 90% of all people would have understood it. They would still disagree with the location, but at least they'd have understood.
"Why Pattaya? Because I think it is a very nice place, I have been there before and had some holiday trips and I would love to go there again."
I even bet that you could have added: "I had some great times there in the gay sex scene, so I will combine my conference there with some more of that". There's probably like 5% homophobes who would drop the understanding-rate to 85%, but at least it would have been honest.
No one believed your whole "Fancy hotel / financial center / well established conference location crap" from the first time you came up with it.
Also, most of the people here who are arguing that Pattaya is *bad* for bitcoins do not do it to annoy you, or anything like that. They do it because... they think Pattaya is bad for bitcoin. Calling them 13-year olds and whatever names you want to come up with is a very childish way of trying to get your way.
Now, we're saying that having an accused pedophile on board of The Bitcoin Foundation is a good for Bitcoin.
Fuckin' genius!
The following post is where Bruce Wagner is called out as a liar:
By the way, for a little more clarification...
In that excerpt from 2006, in that forum... which is being attributed to me... The FACT is.... My post was the one at the top. The message I was REPLYING TO was the one at the bottom...
In other words, my words were at the top --- before the word "QUOTE(tdperhs..." etc.
The words after "QUOTE(tdperhs..." ....is the other guy's post..... the post to which I was replying.
Those words about a "virgins and newbies" and "a three pronged attack".... were NOT my words.
You can see clearly that I was quoting that other guy.
In my reply, I was defending the guys who work there in that business.... Saying that it's great that people tip them well, but the problem is one of economics. They are so poor, they cannot refuse even the scumbags who mistreat them.... and then underpay them. It's a very sad thing. THAT is what I was saying.
If you re-read it in that light, it will make sense to you.
I have never been to any place called "Atom Bomb" and none of those words are in character for me.
Also, Pattaya is very well know for its Four Seasons and Ritz Carleton and Marriott Resort Hotels on the beaches.... and which are used for conventions, as well as it's Pattaya Exhibition and Convention Hall. Just look at some of these pictures: http://www.peachthailand.com/exhibition-convention/
Millions of people, and families, go there from all over the world for conventions and expos every year. But if you don't like Pattaya or Thailand, please just don't go. It's just that simple.
By the way, in case anyone is curious.... PUNLman stands for what I believe in. PUNL. Pure Unconditional Non-judgmental Love. .....which is what I am all about. .....and which always wins in the end.
In that excerpt from 2006, in that forum... which is being attributed to me... The FACT is.... My post was the one at the top. The message I was REPLYING TO was the one at the bottom...
In other words, my words were at the top --- before the word "QUOTE(tdperhs..." etc.
The words after "QUOTE(tdperhs..." ....is the other guy's post..... the post to which I was replying.
Those words about a "virgins and newbies" and "a three pronged attack".... were NOT my words.
You can see clearly that I was quoting that other guy.
In my reply, I was defending the guys who work there in that business.... Saying that it's great that people tip them well, but the problem is one of economics. They are so poor, they cannot refuse even the scumbags who mistreat them.... and then underpay them. It's a very sad thing. THAT is what I was saying.
If you re-read it in that light, it will make sense to you.
I have never been to any place called "Atom Bomb" and none of those words are in character for me.
Also, Pattaya is very well know for its Four Seasons and Ritz Carleton and Marriott Resort Hotels on the beaches.... and which are used for conventions, as well as it's Pattaya Exhibition and Convention Hall. Just look at some of these pictures: http://www.peachthailand.com/exhibition-convention/
Millions of people, and families, go there from all over the world for conventions and expos every year. But if you don't like Pattaya or Thailand, please just don't go. It's just that simple.
By the way, in case anyone is curious.... PUNLman stands for what I believe in. PUNL. Pure Unconditional Non-judgmental Love. .....which is what I am all about. .....and which always wins in the end.
Bullshit: you were quoting this post
Also, the second creepy post looks like your classic, elipsis and period filled diatribes
True or not, everything in this entire thread is disgusting (MyBitcoin, Pattaya and the other allegations).
Is there no moderation at all on this forum?
Regardless, this is a major scar to this forum if anything. If the media pick up on all of this shit it's going to be yet another huge blow to the PR effort of bitcoin and we'll be yet another huge leap away from bitcoin being viewed as a successful currency.
I think whether it's true or not, Bruce should probably put a halt to the bitcoin show as it's only going to harm the community further, which is sad that it's came down to this as the bitcoin show was one of a kind really, even if some people did dislike it. And also the MyBitcoin suspects should be persued however possible and not forgotton.
Hopefully this doesn't hurt bitcoin as badly as I'm expecting.
Is there no moderation at all on this forum?
Regardless, this is a major scar to this forum if anything. If the media pick up on all of this shit it's going to be yet another huge blow to the PR effort of bitcoin and we'll be yet another huge leap away from bitcoin being viewed as a successful currency.
I think whether it's true or not, Bruce should probably put a halt to the bitcoin show as it's only going to harm the community further, which is sad that it's came down to this as the bitcoin show was one of a kind really, even if some people did dislike it. And also the MyBitcoin suspects should be persued however possible and not forgotton.
Hopefully this doesn't hurt bitcoin as badly as I'm expecting.
Is the following how we should view Brock Pierce?
This is sickening me. I am issuing a challenge to non-trolls in this forum to step up and put some support behind Bruce. He's not perfect, but he's our de facto spokesperson, and having his name dragged through the mud makes us all look bad. For the sake of Bitcoins, stand behind Bruce Wagner.
Bruce hasn't done anything wrong. He's not a scammer, a rapist, a pedophile, or any of that stuff people are accusing him of. He's doing his best for the community and we should be thanking him.
Bruce hasn't done anything wrong. He's not a scammer, a rapist, a pedophile, or any of that stuff people are accusing him of. He's doing his best for the community and we should be thanking him.
You have to admit where does the line stop with "bs" and the truth - as you say and what kind of credibility can a forum like that have when you start blasting someone with really bad accusations with basically no evidence or the person can't even defend themselves? And your ok with associating with people who do this and do this on another forum around a great technology as bitcoin? and who does this for fun?
If "mobilizing" is against the rules if I were to ask let me see a raise of hands how many people on this thread are from SA I bet a good portion would be from there and this isn't "breaking the rules"?
I don't know about the rest of you but there is no creditably from ANYONE from SA member and who is also a member of this forum to go around accusing others for the "fun of it". Just my humble opinion.
If "mobilizing" is against the rules if I were to ask let me see a raise of hands how many people on this thread are from SA I bet a good portion would be from there and this isn't "breaking the rules"?
I don't know about the rest of you but there is no creditably from ANYONE from SA member and who is also a member of this forum to go around accusing others for the "fun of it". Just my humble opinion.
Are you suggesting that we're going back in time and creating articles 5 years ago to discredit someone? Whether or not any one of us is trustworthy is kind of besides the point. The information is available for anyone willing to look for it.
Also, Bruce has an account here and is CEO of a worldwide television network. That's pretty much the definition of 'public figure' and he has multiple avenues to defend himself.
Not suggesting that at all. But then you are suggesting you ( SA ) has never been wrong either. I don't have a beef with SA I just want more transparency so the other forum members who don't know who SA is can know who is associated with whom so they can make a well thought out opinion . I'm not taking a side either - who knows maybe Bruce has done what you all are accusing him of doing but it doesn't do you all any good to hide behind any "motives" either.
He does have many venue's but up against hundreds of SA members there is no way he'll be able to get his facts our to the story against a "machine" like this. Thanks for a civil discussion btw.
I'm not so sure. I think he can get his side out, which he still has not done so with regards to the Pattaya controversy (NOT the pedo stuff, just the destination and conflict of interest). I think this new revelation about mortgage fraud is really interesting and it needs to be discussed amongst the community if this is someone that we want being the face of Bitcoin (which to this point, he has been). As I said before, the media will love mentioning that the face behind bitcoin is a convicted fraudster (if it is the same Bruce, which at this point looks likely) and that's not something we need.
I'm not from SA, but I found it linked on here and I have to say I've enjoyed the site. Those guys haven't invented or fabricated anything really, they've just posted things that Bruce himself has put out there. Sure, the jump to pedo status was a bit unwarranted, but the rest of the stuff is plainly information that's publicly available.
You have to admit where does the line stop with "bs" and the truth - as you say and what kind of credibility can a forum like that have when you start blasting someone with really bad accusations with basically no evidence or the person can't even defend themselves? And your ok with associating with people who do this and do this on another forum around a great technology as bitcoin? and who does this for fun?
If "mobilizing" is against the rules if I were to ask let me see a raise of hands how many people on this thread are from SA I bet a good portion would be from there and this isn't "breaking the rules"?
I don't know about the rest of you but there is no creditably from ANYONE from SA member and who is also a member of this forum to go around accusing others for the "fun of it". Just my humble opinion.
If "mobilizing" is against the rules if I were to ask let me see a raise of hands how many people on this thread are from SA I bet a good portion would be from there and this isn't "breaking the rules"?
I don't know about the rest of you but there is no creditably from ANYONE from SA member and who is also a member of this forum to go around accusing others for the "fun of it". Just my humble opinion.
Are you suggesting that we're going back in time and creating articles 5 years ago to discredit someone? Whether or not any one of us is trustworthy is kind of besides the point. The information is available for anyone willing to look for it.
Also, Bruce has an account here and is CEO of a worldwide television network. That's pretty much the definition of 'public figure' and he has multiple avenues to defend himself.
Not suggesting that at all. But then you are suggesting you ( SA ) has never been wrong either. I don't have a beef with SA I just want more transparency so the other forum members who don't know who SA is can know who is associated with whom so they can make a well thought out opinion . I'm not taking a side either - who knows maybe Bruce has done what you all are accusing him of doing but it doesn't do you all any good to hide behind any "motives" either.
He does have many venue's but up against hundreds of SA members there is no way he'll be able to get his facts our to the story against a "machine" like this. Thanks for a civil discussion btw.
I'm not so sure. I think he can get his side out, which he still has not done so with regards to the Pattaya controversy (NOT the pedo stuff, just the destination and conflict of interest). I think this new revelation about mortgage fraud is really interesting and it needs to be discussed amongst the community if this is someone that we want being the face of Bitcoin (which to this point, he has been). As I said before, the media will love mentioning that the face behind bitcoin is a convicted fraudster (if it is the same Bruce, which at this point looks likely) and that's not something we need.
I'm not from SA, but I found it linked on here and I have to say I've enjoyed the site. Those guys haven't invented or fabricated anything really, they've just posted things that Bruce himself has put out there. Sure, the jump to pedo status was a bit unwarranted, but the rest of the stuff is plainly information that's publicly available.
This is a PR nightmare, anyway it is handled - distancing from Bruce seems to be the safe bet though
Didn't any of you wonder how Bruce and Ed were able to afford their Manhattan penthouse and 10k/month office despite not having jobs?
I surely do.
I also wonder who paid for those 25K bitcoins he complains of losing. I know some people, including Adrianne Jeffries and her office staff bought a few on a lark, but that doesn't begin to account for who owns the bulk of that load.
Who are these friends? Do they like to travel to Bruce's bitcoin conferences? Perhaps employ a few boys (boys means men) for some stinky fun?
I'm not going to beat around the bush.
I submit that Bruce was selling sex tourism and laundering the proceeds though MBC. Something went wrong with his plan and it became easier to just steal the bitcoin rather than follow through. Or maybe his partner Tom/d Williams double crossed him.
Either way, there is still some malignant tumor that needs excising from this "community".
Somebody please bring some air freshener.