Re: [ANN][LIBERTYCOIN][XLB] X11 | 100% POS | No IPO | No Premine

It's not so much the strengths of the devs or the community, but the principles on which they stand and adhere to.

No amount of promotion will help without a solid foundation. You cannot polish a turd.

I am not a dev. Please explain precisely what makes it a "turd"

All cryptos are copy/paste of previous coins - all are subject to the problems I have highlighted. All of them are potentially turds. Just an anology, I'm not saying Libertycoin is specifically a turd amongst good cryptos, that's a misinterpretation.

In order to move forward, a new philosophy needs to be created.

Reference : Thatcherism, 1980's.

The old order needed to be uprooted, examined and re-assessed. A new foundation was required for the future.

Does Libertycoin want to follow the old ways or create something new?

Anonimity is not a new way forward, it is merely another coat of paint on the crumbling wall of cryptos.

In it's current state, Libertycoin is not Liberty - it is Aristocracy, hiding behind a name, no different like any other coin, ruled by an elite.

Boomslang why do you keep using 1980's thatcherism for your analogies? Are you English? Because I am from the industrial North, and I've been directly affected by the shit you are talking about. You mentioned the coal mines earlier and now this, and my problem is that you are making really bullshit statements, "The old order needed to be uprooted, examined and re-assessed. A new foundation was required for the future." This is nonsense, the old order was not replaced by a new and improved order, the new order was installed so as to only benefit the elite - Thatcher's friends and sponsors, so how the hell is this a relevant analogy?? It's the complete opposite way around, before Thatcher there were trade unions and community spirit, after Thatcher there was rife unemployment, the rich got richer and the poor got poorer. You are making sloppy generalised statements and not even thinking about your words, something you have constantly been accusing others of.
Why are you still here anyway?...

I never said I supported Thatcherism, nor did I say it was an improvement. I just said it was new - very new in fact.

I also have family in the North who were affected.

My mention of coal mining was based on it's current usefulness as a commodity, and was not a commentary on the places or people that mined it.

The analogy was making a point that until one system is overthrown, a new one cannot evolve.

Does Libertycoin want to be "new" or "old" ?

Well are you here because you want to help Libertycoin be more innovative? Otherwise what is your reason for posting here so much? Are there not other coins out there that you are concerned about ~ why Libertycoin? If you want to help steer Libertycoin in the right direction then I welcome you with open arms because I think you are right that it needs to set itself apart from the rest and create something new. I don't want it to be just another altcoin, just another pump and dump. I want it to actually have meaning behind its name: Liberty. At present I have to admit it doesn't. I would like to see it have principles based on Liberty that are known to the community, a movement that people know when they hear the name Libertycoin. It should at the very least, do something in the real world that liberates people, otherwise it's just another coin with a fancy name. And the devs need to realise that.

I am still for Libertycoin, even though I hold no investment in it.

The cry of liberty in the French Revolution was a throwing away of the old order (Aristocracy, wealth in the hands of the few) and a new beginning (power to the people, redistribution of wealth).

Until a radical upheavel of the "old order" is implemented, Libertycoin will simply follow the rest of the rich into ever-expanding ivory towers.

A fancy anon feature is not innovation if all it does is protect the rich and make them richer by hiding their wealth even further.

Right now, the crypto world is no different to private banks.

The populace, instead of being liberated, are held in check and controlled (slavery) by the very people they have entrusted to emancipate them.

Yes, there is too much greed and selfishness in crypto, every coin seems to just be for the benefit of its creator.
Why are you for Libertycoin if you see it as no different to the others? And I don't believe the devs have an unfair amount of Libertycoins so I don't see this as the main problem with xlb. I do think it's missing an ideology at the moment, and I wish there was more commitment to it as an idea, rather than just a money making coin.

Very true.

There is a big disparity between theory and practice in cryptos - both in the Satoshi methodology (technology outstripping an idea) and the ideology behind the implementation (cryptos imply freedom from banks, but creates more banks).