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Board Economics
Re: Distribution of Wealth
by
JA37
on 25/03/2011, 20:44:37 UTC
JA37, it is a basic root premise that the state, and by state I mean any persistent political structure that a citizen doesn't explicitly opt into, is based upon violence.  Violence is both it's reason for existence (national defense being the largest part of that) as well as it's means of support.  Taxation, even by representative democracy, is the use of force or a credible threat of force to extract wealth from someone who (presumedly) honestly earned it.  In any other context, this would be theft.  So when you openly support the state, or the taxation required to support the state, you are (indirectly) supporting violence against others.  I'm not an anarchist, myself, and generally agree with you that there is a minimum degree of government required to maintain liberty, order and prosperity in any society larger than the average church business meeting, but I also understand that I do advocate the judicious & minimum use of violence to achieve those ends.  This is, at it's core, the primary function of law enforcement.  This doesn't necessarily make such support bad, but you do need to be honest with yourself and others about what your support of the state actually means.

I don't really subscribe to the root premise you give above. Or atleast I don't see the difference from any other "persistant (political) structure". Whatever is said about the state can be said about any such structure. If I setup a commune/society where you "opt in" I will need some sort of protection from outsiders if I manage to draw wealth into my community. I will also need to "extract wealth" from those who live there. Call it a tax, fee, contribution or whatever you like, but the fact is that if the people living with me wants to use my services they'll have to pay for it, and there will be a "threat of force" to extract it from those who think they can avoid it.
It's not "theft" to get the money people owe me for using my services.

So you can say that I "advocate violence" if you like, but the matter of fact is that I don't advocate anything else than anyone else on these forums. To say that I do is either dishonest, ignorant or just plain stupid.

But like you said, I think we're mostly in agreement here.