Guys... im getting tired of this shitstorm. Believe what you want but i think its stupid to not try to inform you first hand and judge without trying to inform.
By the way... tell me that im delusional or whatever but dont say im dishonest. I maybe had more coins in escrow than most other escrows on the board, at one point over 3k Bitcoins at a time and i didnt run with them. So if you want to say something negative about me then that i might be wrong on my judgment with ukyo but not that im dishonest.
Is there ANY reason to believe that this 'Ukyo' is genunely trying to return the "lost" coins?
No proof available. Only his word. Though it makes sense that the coins cant be retrieved anymore when weexchange has to go bankrupt. Its commons sense that doesnt need ukyo. Weex dont have the coins. If sued and demanding the coins then weex has to go bankrupt otherwise ukyo would take legal risks personally. And if weex is gone then there is no one that could demand the coins back. Simple as that. So the decision is simply to believe ukyo for now or try if he lied and take the risk to kill the chance to get the coins back. I made my decision for the moment but it seems a couple of people think they are way wiser than me. They dont bother to contact ukyo but think they know what happened and will happen anyway. Good luck then i only can say.
SebastianJu is a great judge of character and an experienced financier. There's no known scam he hasn't already fallen for.
Sadly it involves some truth. Though its hard having invested in the past and NOT losing. The projects that did earn money at the end are only very few. Mostly it would have been wiser not to invest at all. But i think you dont need to speak down on me. As far as i remember you werent wiser than me in the past and you lost your part too.
I'll reply to the rest after this. Here is, AFAICT, the entirety of the evidence available:
- Ukyo ran some number of enterprises that held assets of others
- Those enterprises have folded
- Creditors of these enterprises have not had their assets returned
- Ukyo has not communicated his position, plans, nor intents to these creditors
OK, what am I missing?
Based upon that evidence, the only rational conclusion is that Ukyo has absconded with the assets, and has no plans to return them.
Of course we do have SebastianJu claiming to be in possession of some secret insider knowledge about Ukyo's true heart. Irrelevant. Inadmissable as hearsay.
As I have said before - honorable people who owe creditors do not avoid informing those creditors.
*sigh* Again, you seem to not being able to a bit imagination. You never heard of lawyers that says you should not say anything until things are cleared? Never heard of investigations where you shouldnt say anything to not risk the investigations?
Fine by me. Its proof for you so do what you want. Maybe youre right. But maybe you only kill my chance to get the original coins back. And thats why im against a lawsuit for the moment.
Do you realize that you are putting yourself in the role of Ukyo's proxy here, by your advocacy? Is this really what you want? You won't tell us what Ukyo has told you - fine. But you can't expect us just to take your word on the matter. I suggest you think long and hard about what others think of your advocacy, and your esteem due to smoothing things over on the behalf of a demonstrably incompetent businessman, if not an outright thief.
No. In fact i hate the position im pushed in at the moment. I take the shitstorm that ukyo should take. And only because i believe him for the moment, judging from the chats i did with him and project he showed me. Because i think thats the only chance to get the original coins back. I explained above in this post why i think so.
Anyway... i dont know whats the truth at the end. I only see the options. And sueing doesnt have a chance for succeed in my eyes anyway. At least not when sueing with the intend of getting the coins back. But who knows. I might be wrong.