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Re: www.lunamine.com - 0.0025 BTC/GHs mining contracts | On-demand withdrawals
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RealMalatesta
on 16/08/2014, 00:59:49 UTC
Personally I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Swedish police have not already been notified of what seems to have taken place here because someone from Sweden has filed a Complaint against them !
That would be a good start, indeed, maybe something would come out of it.

On the other hand, thinking of it, what proof do we have that lunamine is really located in Sweden ?
A couple of days before, it appeared that no trace was formally giving them away as actually being in Sweden, even the "Swedish" IP from a mail header appeared to be from an anonymous proxy there, which might have been a simple relay after all.

There was also that swedish user who actually went in front of the building and took a photo. That building is a rental office space, and many small companies have their address there, so there might be some shared office of mailbox service available.
It would be a good idea to go back there and look at the mail boxes, or ask the help desk (if there is one) or neighboring companies if a small company by the name of "Luna" etc was actually a tenant there.


You are a funny guy.

Let's make the fact checking.

First of all: What is a scam. Let me quote Wikipedia:

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A scam or confidence trick is an attempt to defraud a person or group by gaining their confidence

Did Lunamine do this? The simple answer is: Yes. Otherwise, nobody would have invested.

Did it gain the confidence? Yes.

Did it defraud a group of persons? Yes.

Fraud is - and again, I quote Wikipedia - a deception deliberately practiced in order to secure unfair or unlawful gain.

 We may discuss the term "deliberately". This term is used mainly in the US jurisdiction. Fact is that there is currently no place where people who miss their funds can file a lawsuit but at the place they are living at. At the place where I was defrauded, the term "deliberately" in connection with fraud is only used in big cases. Soat least I can drop it.

Fact is that Lunamine obviously used wrong information. There are about 60 companies registered in Sweden with the term "Luna" in it. None of these companies has any connection to any person who's name was used when registering the domain, nor was or is any of these companies registered in the town where Lunamine should be. So I conclude that the registry information is wrong.

Furthermore: When problems with Lunamine started, the person behind Lunamine wrote:

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Everything may be slightly delayed because we are dealing with an attack and blackmail. Can't go in details at the moment.
Cannot say for sure when the withdrawals will be made but they of course will be made.

And a little bit later, the same person wrote:

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We've emailed our customers our new website address. All communications will be made using the temporary suppport emails in Contact Us section on the website.
Withdrawals etc. will be available from our new URL with no more delays. It will be kept away from public while we sort out the current problems. No passwords were compromised and databases are backed up so nothing has been lost. There is someone with a lot of resources interested in bringing us down - that is all we can say for now.
Has anybody on bitcointalk ever received this e-mail? Obviously not.

Has the user "Lunamine" been on bitcointalk since his last posting? Yes.

This means: "Lunamine" has most probably seen that the mail didn't arrive. Okay, maybe he didn't go into the forum. Then he should have seen the private messages and learned it by reading them.

Any reaction? No.

All together features of scam and fraud.

Now "btcmner" writes:

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That does not mean I have never investigated a crime before.

Very impressed, Sir. But with all due respect: If you really ever did investigate a crime, then most probably not a fraud. You do not know what you are writing about.