Why is it always newbies defending the scams?
Ok, my profile indicates "newbie", which is some grade level on this forum, fair enough.
That does not mean I have never investigated a crime before.
In that regard, I wonder who would be the "newbie" between you and me... or do I ?

So, you just did it, you used the word "scam".
Now go prove it.
This is a challenge to you, the non-"newbie" : prove that your accusation stands.
No trick allowed.
Real evidence is mandated by the gravity of your accusation.
By qualifying something of "scam", you are taking a very strong stance, and you get the responsibility of bringing solid proof in support of your accusation.
Otherwise, you've just committed libel.
Think about it, and be more careful when you accuse someone.
As far as pbmining goes, I have presented proof that it is a Ponzi, they might have some mining, but they can't have enough for all of the GS they have sold. The proof is very easy in their case because of the 5 year contracts and the amount of power that would require compared to the cost of the GS. Also the fact that they pay exactly what the theoretical yield is. Anyway that is all over on the
thread.
With lunamine, I tried them early on, wasn't impressed with what they were doing and they were clearly hiding information. That coupled with deals too good to be true clearly equals a scam in my mine. Add in the current events and you would have to be pretty crazy to trust them.
As for you, you clearly don't even seem to understand the concept of libel. You are just trying to bully people into not speaking their minds. These forums exist to talk about these types of issues. Something is seriously wrong with what you are doing.