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Re: Monero XMR ... Why do people fall for the shills and bullshit?
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crypto_zoidberg
on 22/08/2014, 22:05:52 UTC
Hi kbm.

But it's not pruned, it's 'pruned'. It will continue growing forever - just because he bought an extra year or two for something that's not even really a problem for easily over five years doesn't really sell me on it right now. Specifically because it's an partial solution to something that's not important right now when the chain is small.
It's important. Anonymous transactions with a lot of mixins or transactions that send big amounts have a very big size, and 90% of such tx size - is ring signatures.
So it's important to save blockchain size if it possible, and FYI -it's was just a few lines to implement this.

If he doesn't spend time on things that are important right now - building community, a real GUI, protocol bug fixes, multisig, firing btc-mike .. and instead spends all day working on things that have zero effect right now .. but can be done in the future .. then why would I ever think that he's gonna be working on the right thing?  
a) We have more real GUI than you guys, it's just a fact.
b) Architectural changes that will require hardfork better to implement before launch, so i implemented those features that i supposed to be important fixes of CN and can't be fixed in future without hardforks. You prefer to build community instead of it and later torment network with hardforks ? ... well, Monero obviously had no choice since it was launched by TFT, and i could understand it. But trying to convince people now that it is normal practice sounds senseless.

If one were to take this illegitimate 'pruning' as a selling point .. I would feel that there's a distinct lack of prioritization. I'm just not sold on that one, because of the trade offs involved (below). He has time to create a database - so why not work on that? Yes, I agree that 'pruned' in an embedded DB would be fantastic, but the reality is that taking a potshot on my mixins isn't the way to 'prune' cryptonote. I don't know what is .. but it's not that.
a) It's legitimate in BBR, and it is illegitimate in XMR. Feel the difference.
b) It's obviously that db is not critical for next few months. Atm end-user won't feel any difference - in BBR we have about 1-2 seconds for loading blockchain from storage file. So now better to focus on really critical issues.

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....Apart from that .. CZ decided to make space by trimming RS's. That means this data is not there to mix with when it originally would have been! Now we absolutely need miners to cash the highest mixin transactions in order to make more of an anonymity set, so that you can remain cryptographically anonymous in the first place!
kbm, you either lie or just don't understand technical details: pruning ring signatures do not affect any mixin's or anonymity, this make help you to understand why (if really you want):



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Skipped other part of post since there nothing to discuss.


UPDATE: About whitepaper - all Monero's activists comments was focused on everything except main - conception of blockchain based PoW. And even after  dga's post with concrete comparsion - it was ignored by Moneros - that is the best prove that this is well done.