All the people who keep taking any CIA and USA involvement, Obama, and Western Imperialism.


So many trolls? It's just me, wasting my time and pointing out logical inconsistencies, contrived conspiracy theories, and outright lies, as I come across them. Pretty sad that one guy with a bit of free time can completely kill your soviet propaganda thread.


There's no dichotomy here. Ukraine is ruled by a left socialist government, with people who never fully let go of the old soviet style economy, but who otherwise don't care what people do and are somewhat socially liberal. Russia is ruled by ex-KGB members and wealthy oligarchs many of whom made their money by basically stealing industries and resources when Russia "privatized" them (by which I mean government officials gave them to their well connected friends), and now has a near totalitarian government that suppressed their people's freedoms, and has major imperialist ambitions and longings for the days of the USSR.


OK, update. Russia is no longer able to fool anyone that their military troops are in Ukraine, meaning that Russia invaded Ukraine.

Sorry, but ever since the Maidan protests started, there has been a MASSIVE amount of extreme anti-Ukrainian propaganda coming out of Russia, even when Ukraine was doing nothing other than protesting Yanukovich for trying to establish dictatorial powers. Don't forget that Yanukovich and Putin were buddies, and Putin needed Yanukovich to set up deals between Russia and Ukraine, so when the protests started, Russia immediately started screaming that Maidan protesters are all fascist Nazis. This propaganda never stopped, and a lot of people who SHOULD be for freedom and liberty are falling for it, thinking that Ukraine is fascist and oppressed its people, and Russia is free and trying to liberate them, when it's the other way around: Russia is very fascist and oppressive, and while Ukraine started this fight only intending to suppress essentially hooligans and thugs running around with guns threatening and shooting people, Russia used propaganda, military support, and eventually actual military to escalate this into a full blown civil war. And since so many such propaganda threads are starting up all over, I am hoping to either dispell their lies, or shut them the hell down.

Honestly, I am against Russia invading and annexing those parts of Ukraine NOT because I support Ukrainian government (I am an anarcho-capitalist), but because I am quite sure that the people living in those areas will be MUCH worth under a repressive Russian rule. Case in point, Russia has arrested and imprisoned a documentary film maker from Crimea for 5 years, because they don't like what he wanted to say. Why would any of you support a country that gives a 5 year prison sentence for speech?