One thing is pure trolling. Recognizing reality is something completely different.
I am amazed by the fact that there are always some shareholders who are openly hostile to the second group and are bashing every one trying to discuss problems/week aspects by accusing them for all evil intentions like 'talking down' shares. Such approach limits useability of this forum.
However, I admit that in current 'machiavellic' reality that surrounds most of us it's quite difficult to keep objectivity. Good luck guys.
I do not take anything personally from any of my fellow shareholders, it has been a long and challenging wait for most of us. This is the speculation thread so this is where the discussion of share price will take place and should. Playing the rumors and news cycles on the orderbook is a big risk at this point. If dividends come you are 100% shut out, and it has been a long wait to come to this point so I feel the amount of investors working this angle is exaggerated.