After trying our best to provide to customers and to us  mining equipment we realised that actually like Avalon did long time ago.  NO IC's Manufacturer release any real working product out there.

Must of them have an unstable product, take preorders and decide to sell IC's when they know perfectly no one can use them.

We are making a calculation (more precise than web calculation but based on our own mining farm) it is IMPOSSIBLE to get ROI now days.

Before ROI is reached, rent, electricity, maintenance etc ... will become more expensive than the BitCoin generated.

We are wondering when seeing prices per GH out there how can people still buy. 

We would like instead of getting ripped  by IC's manufacturers supplying  us "crappy" IC, some sell more expensive IC than the full miner ex : ... A1 ...

If we can find a solution instead of Group buy that is actually not even interesting any more  jointtalent togheter to finally make a product that is interesting for all....
Big IC's manufacturer and big assembly factories  now have all the power in their hands are selfish and make everyone loose money..

This post is just a discussion post to try and assemble people in order to raise against those Giants industries.