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Board Mining speculation
Re: We'd love board feedback on our concept: Combined Heating and Computation
by
jimmothy
on 11/09/2014, 03:41:11 UTC
Secondly, the 'rube goldberg' device pictured above is about 75% efficient at transferring heat to the loop at low temps and it drops to about 50-60% at higher temps above ~160.  The second prototype is submerged in a silicon fluid and well insulated, Sri (senior scientist) is modeling the device now in Comsol http://www.comsol.com/comsol-multiphysics?gclid=CNnmyLeI2MACFSsV7AodCTsALQ and its looking like we'll easily break into the mid 90% efficiency for heat capture with the device when submerged.

Are you saying that currently only 55% of the heat stays in the loop when you want to use it for refrigeration/AC? 45% waste?

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As for the economics - free energy for computation isn't going to be economic?  Remember we are using energy once and getting two benefits - heat and computation.  You pay for the heat, the computation is free (from an energy perspective) except for the cost of the device.

Thanks-

Correct, it will not be economic.

Here's a simplified comparison for 1MW worth of computing power:


A: Classic datacenter

Capex:

- hardware: $1,000,000
- Warehouse+infrastructure: $200,000

Opex(yearly):

- Electricity: $570,000 (1.3MW at $0.05/kwh)
- Employees:$100,000


5 Year total: $4,500,000
B: Distributed computing (using your method)

Capex:

- Hardware: $5,000,000*
- Cooling recovery system: $5,000,000* (~$1/W at 5MW)
- Distributing/shipping: $500,000

Opex:

- Employees: $500,000**

5 year total: $13,000,000

*Assuming it would require 5 times the amount of hardware because it's being used 25% of the time due to none of your applications requiring 100% load 100% of the time and a 20% efficiency loss due to the hot chips. This is also assuming the system is 100% efficient at recovering the heat but your post suggest it might be closer to 50%.

**I've got no idea how many people it takes to properly run a distributed computing network but I'm sure it takes more than the 2 people needed top operate a large scale bitcoin mine. (guessing at least 10 employees)



So basically you will have ~$9.3M extra startup costs so you can save ~$170k/year.. In this scenario it would take more than 50 years to pay off.

Overall cool idea, just entirely unpractical like solar roadways.

Side note: Do you plan on having certified technicians around the country ready to fix peoples heater/AC/refrigeration systems when they stop working? Will you be reimbursing customers for all their spoiled food when the computer crashes for a few hours?