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Re: [ANN] NoirShares Encrypted Messaging✔, Lotto✔, Advanced Features ✔ Unique PoW✔
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barwizi
on 23/09/2014, 10:16:44 UTC
Quote from: Frigga77 on September 23, 2014, 09:51:00 AM
Quote from: barwizi on September 23, 2014, 04:15:11 AM
Quote from: chocobo on September 23, 2014, 03:44:26 AM

No, the NRS price I got was straight from Logans document. There was not ONE day that NRS was at .00004 BTC during the time the general fund was open, where did you get this number?

Read my accounting barwizi. I pointed out where the BTC is missing. As for the rest of you, please show me how 15-17 BTC worth of assets wasn't left over and taken by barwizi. Then find the premine money. Then explain the 2/3rds downtime of the mining op. No one has shown me that I am wrong. You guys keep buying into barwizi's numbers that are HALF of what the real NRS price was at the time.

You really are a master of misdirection. I have posted plainly here for everyone to see using your "evidendce", it's actually you who is supposed to explain the fictional numbers you keep throwing up.
My numbers are sound and verifiable, yours aren't plain and simple.

Well your efforts to hide behind obscure numbers wont be tolerated

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4/12/2014 0.00004875
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4/12/2014 0.000045
4/12/2014 0.000045
4/12/2014 0.00005399
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4/12/2014 0.00006
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4/12/2014 0.00006
4/12/2014 0.00006
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4/12/2014 0.000048
4/12/2014 0.000048
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4/12/2014 0.000048
4/12/2014 0.000048
4/12/2014 0.000048
4/12/2014 0.000048
4/12/2014 0.000048
4/12/2014 0.000048
4/12/2014 0.000048
4/12/2014 0.000048
4/12/2014 0.000048
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4/12/2014 0.000048
4/12/2014 0.000048
4/12/2014 0.000048
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4/12/2014 0.00004801
4/12/2014 0.00004801
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4/12/2014 0.00004801
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4/12/2014 0.00005
4/12/2014 0.00005
4/12/2014 0.00005
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4/12/2014 0.00005566
4/12/2014 0.00005566
4/12/2014 0.00005566
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4/12/2014 0.000061
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No, the NRS price I got was straight from Logans document. There was not ONE day that NRS was at .00004 BTC during the time the general fund was open, where did you get this number?

 Angry Angry Angry

who do you think you are kidding ? the price even went down to 0.0000184 , and instead of using that number i used the more frequent 0.00004s, or would you like to use this table and end up with a lower median?

Stop kidding yourself, everyone knows how much they invested and what it was worth at the time, and it's documented. So dont waste our time trying to feed us bogus inflated numbers to  justify your crap.

I said prove your  numbers and all you do is blather on some numbers without backing, i am using the same docs as you and posting actual proof, facts and figures that can be verified. So unless you will do the same, your claims are unfounded and you are dragging my name in through shit just because you have hurt feelings about Project XUC.

Barwizi, if you want to prove that NRS was 0.00004 at the time people were transferring NRS to you, you cannot just pick some days and say, that was the price for the whole period.
So let's come with facts:
Look at cell x4 of the document. That states that on 3/26/2014 Lajz99 has sent 0.32405 BTC worth NRS to the General Fund. On that day the lowest value of 1 NRS on Poloniex was 0.00007598
See for yourself: https://poloniex.com/exchange/btc_nrs
Let's take another cell from the document: AD27: That states that another GF holder has sent 1.13 BTC worth NRS to the General Fund on 5/4/14. On that day the value of 1 NRS on Poloniex was 0.00004
Ok just for fun: cell T19: That states that Argakiig has sent 0.25 BTC worth NRS to the General Fund on 3/17/14. On that day the value of 1 NRS on Poloniex was 0.0001499
There are transfers from 3/14/14 to 4/12/14 and the price has had a low of 0.0000184 on 4/10/14 and a high of 0.0001499 on 3/17/14. Beside from that one day low on 4/10/14 there it almost always has been above 0.000035. So if you take 0.000035 and 0.000135 (I choose 0.000015 BTC lower then the most high in that time) the average would be 0.000085. So Chocobo's statement is right, 0.00004 is half of the price that was the average value of that time.
Having said that, I must conclude that the 49.81 BTC should be taken as starting point of our investigation, and that NRSlogan was right with his document.
So that means that having paid around 33 BTC for the mining op, and around 6.5 BTC for the taxes, there is 10-11 BTC that needs to be accounted for. Where is it Barwizi?
Having said that there was 12 BTC mined with the machines. That makes 23 BTC that has to be accounted for. Where is it Barwizi?
Of course there will have been costs. But they have to be accounted for. Because it was done with OUR (GF) money.
Plus there is a still a premine (presumably dumped) left to be accounted for....Where is it Barwizi?


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Barwizi, if you want to prove that NRS was 0.00004 at the time people were transferring NRS to you, you cannot just pick some days and say, that was the price for the whole period.

I didnt pick a period, there is a tab in the document which has these prices and i copy-pasted them exactly, like i said, i am using what is in the document and nothing else.

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here are transfers from 3/14/14 to 4/12/14 and the price has had a low of 0.0000184 on 4/10/14 and a high of 0.0001499 on 3/17/14. Beside from that one day low on 4/10/14 there it almost always has been above 0.000035. So if you take 0.000035 and 0.000135 (I choose 0.000015 BTC lower then the most high in that time) the average would be 0.000085. So Chocobo's statement is right, 0.00004 is half of the price that was the average value of that time.
 
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Having said that, I must conclude that the 49.81 BTC should be taken as starting point of our investigation, and that NRSlogan was right with his document.

I think in order to avoid further issues, we need to calculate on a per transfer basis, because we clearly dont agree.


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So that means that having paid around 33 BTC for the mining op, and around 6.5 BTC for the taxes, there is 10-11 BTC that needs to be accounted for. Where is it Barwizi?
Having said that there was 12 BTC mined with the machines. That makes 23 BTC that has to be accounted for. Where is it Barwizi?
Of course there will have been costs. But they have to be accounted for. Because it was done with OUR (GF) money.
Plus there is a still a premine (presumably dumped) left to be accounted for....Where is it Barwizi?

I think you are just trying to make a sensation, if you were honestly looking for answers you would stay on track, we are still dealing with the actual amount put in , then once that is done we will move on to each issue in turn. Throwing up numbers like that serves no purpose except to try give credibilty to something you have not even proven yet.