vern might not make a move til i give a nod, at least i hope so, not because it's me but because I have a link to the old active community. i havent seen any of the stakeholders from early days (representing still a majority of the ELC being held) that have vetted and assented to this fork.

you need some consensus in here and elsewhere before you will be successful. do what you want, but you really need some community agreement. i just dont see it.