to the little D man.. I would just like to say.. fix Givecoin first.. make that community rich, generous and happy.. if you do that then you have proven your worth and everyone from karma will beg you to come back and fix Karma too.. until then you are just going round and round in circles and pissing in the wind.

That's a nice analysis, but you're missing the point where Karma should have a purpose other than being a transactional coin that rewards and enriches miners and investors.
Trust me we will absolutely take our stewardship of Givecoin seriously -- it's not a coin for miners and investors anyway -- its a coin for real world people with real world uses.
I have no interest whatsoever in your scheme to "make a community rich, generous, and happy" - no one person should ever convince you otherwise. You make your own wealth.
See, that just points out what is so fundamentally perverse with what you've let Karma become.
And as I have ZERO interest in buying Karma as it exists today because it was launched with less than honorable intentions and is currently held by people I would rather not reward for that behavior.
So the best way I CAN support the community is by helping to facilitate a better method and dialogue around what karma should become.
Seriously guys, if you can't convince me to invest in your coin -- your "warm welcome" aside -- how do you think you'll attract bigger money and deeper pockets to get involved?
Its pretty obvious that you are all waiting around in some kind of "mexican stand-off" with each other, trying to figure out who's going to shoot first.
And everyday you waste not coming to consensus is another day someone else will cash out and move on.
So my advice is -- reverse split your coin and move to some form of POS (either stake or storage) -- find people in the real world who are willing to acquire your tokens and USE them for something.
You already know what you need to do -- most of you are too afraid to be among the first to admit it