I agree a lot of miners bitch about profit but they are trying to mine coins that hVe the highest btc exchange and wonder why the lose. I have to mine now for future profits I there is any as te main reason is just because it's fun and to help out the network. I could care less really If I ever make a profit from crypto mining I'm in it because I believe in the revolution it can bring. But yes I hold all my coins too. Miners who only care about dumping for btc will always lose in the long run.