well only place left with any honor of any note equip wise now (mnfg not reseller) is www.spondoolie-tech.com they gave me a refund
and did not have to after I made some points on their sp30 not being applicable as a home miner...they PM'd me privately asked me if
I wanted a refund..it was an aug order I probably coulda ROI'd ..but took the refund..the pres of the company actually follows the
spondoolies thread on bitcoin talk and replies....they don't mine as a company...also maybe that is the diff

i suppose in 6 months they will also go to the dark side..it is a curse of too much fast $$$

but as of now they are the ONLY place I would consider for a pre-order..but alas at the current difficulty and bitcoin prices
and their mnfg costs ..that don't make sense right now either

so anyway is there any other mnfg out there anyone can recommend also? That have not or at least likely will not go the route

of KNC and BFL and just plain screw us over?

It would likely be a short list but maybe we need to make such a list

but as of right now as a maker of machines......I only got the one place left.....chime in I'd be interested to see if there are any others?