I have been advised to just make a post in here and see where the discussion goes before escalating the situation or even attempting to have this thread taken down (which I certainly wouldn't want).

This is the last post I'm going to make here personally until everything clears up/improves... but for those of you who are understandably/legitimately panicked and not just going full Grassy Knoll here... I felt it was important to brief you on the situation.The situation! obviously someone is claiming to know something that none of us know about, good on you, let's hear it! A small piece of the original dev team, all of the code that has been written, and a shred of 888 passion among us still exists. Wait, US? so this means that you're claiming to be basically an octocoin dev right? i mean you seem to know intimate details about what's "left" from the octocoin project  Most (if not all) of the original dev team would certainly get involved again if the situation improved considerably. If the situation improved? so what, what situation? you haven't said anything. what is the situation? cause again i'd like to point out, other than bittrex freezing this coin, none of us have heard ANYTHING. Like most people, I have several other priorities right now but I will personally be putting the finishing touches on the new wallet as soon as possible and then ensuring that 888 it at least back and trading on Bittrex. Alright, so then you're officially a dev for the coin? not to sound like a dick, but who voted for you? or who gave the keys to you? these are serious questions. Several developers, including myself and the developer of another (fairly prominent) altcoin, have gone through the code and there is nothing there that could specifically cause issues with OctoCoin payouts. Regardless, some issue apparently popped up exclusive to Bittrex (after months without incident despite the same code being used) and, as a result, the new wallet will be 100% from scratch. Yeah, no offense, but we've about had it with getting the runaround from secretive devs. You and "some other important person" are going to rewrite the whole wallet? possibly changing the foundation of it? I do not think that you or your secret friend have earned the trust, or the right to take over. i will illustrate why in the next few paragraphs.

Once a new wallet is released and things are stabilized, hopefully things will begin moving in the right direction again. Nobody pulled the plug on this project - the wind was taken out of altcoin sails, the people with the checkbooks became less interested, This is the first anyone is hearing about this, last we heard everything was gung ho! you remember the impending releases? you remember the las vegas party in march that's "still on"? the community grew impatient and demanding while only a select few did anything to contribute, WOW okay there bud, this won't fly at all. the community became impatient? what after 6 months of holding hands and singing kumbaya? no one did anything to contribute, have you READ all of the rainbows and sunshine that was the first 150 pages of this thread? what gall to claim otherwise. perhaps it's ignorance as you've honestly not read any of it, i'd believe that. and people had lives they needed to get back to. Unfortunately, businesses fail. Yes, they fail without warning, and then flee in the night before anyone notices they were gone, you know "professionals". And i'd still love to know what "business" was being run here exactly, because again, there hasn't been one lick of proof about anything with this coin. Fortunately, worst-case scenario we can open source everything that has been done and through a community effort build something good in the crypto-world (even if that would make it no longer exclusive to OctoCoin... surely it would increase exposure considerably and help it to stand out from the wasteland of failed altcoins and crap).

Being a crypto developer is a thankless nightmare - I received death threats when Bill Murray didn't officially endorse Murraycoin (a promise I never even made - I was 100% transparent the entire time) - it's truly a bummer. People want to get rich quick and very few people are willing to put any effort into it. Wait, i thought this was a business run by professionals, so who exactly isn't "willing to put any effort into it?" last i checked this coin had an army of loyal soldiers at it's back for half a year. And again, you can stop trying to paint us like impatient children, 6 months of bliss, infact quite the opposite of the reality you're fantasizing. I was lucky enough to get Brian on board with Murraycoin because he is kicking ass and taking names getting the word out and putting an amazing level of effort into pushing it to the next level. Honestly, just creating awareness is half the battle. Every time I decide to get involved in a crypto project to bail everybody out I regret it. Things take time and talented people are in-demand and busy. There isn't a lot of money in this market right now - I'm staying minimally involved with bitcoin, Murraycoin, and 888 - and while I fully intend to increase my involvement in the near future, I simply have other priorities at this moment. So are you an investor like all of us? or are you a dev?

People wonder why I don't post or don't respond to PMs Buddy, you haven't responded to one question of merit that i've seen so far, why you do this i'll never know, but i do know what you've been doing, is actively avoiding any questions put to you, forget? i'll give you a refresher: What is your relation to the devs, what "situation" happened that everyone left without any of us being notified, what is your association with the Alliance of Angels who claim to have never heard of you, and most importantly, what were your multiple conference calls with the "octocoin devs" about? cause again, we've been given nothing, and now you're attacking us for being so needy. - I get dozens and dozens of private messages every week and, frankly, most people suck. Everything has been hammered across the altcoin board and this is a volatile, hostile environment that I personally grew tired of being involved with. This is not a lucrative position to be in. The original OctoCoin dev team still holds all of the premine/etc. I have over 2,000,000 OctoCoins personally - there is financial incentive to move this thing forward, of course, but from the minute I was officially contracted to assist with this project Really? this is news to everyone here. so you've been on for several months? or they passed the torch to you as they were abandoning ship? because in the latter case you knowing that the project is dissolving without telling anyone is fucking awful, and if this was a regulated market you'd be in jail because if it. I have suggested we distance ourselves from this place (bitcointalk) as much as possible. Yeah, distance yourself from the army of loving community members who go to bat for this coin at every opportunity (before it was apparent that we'd all just been scammed that is), and who have asked so little from the devs, that octocoin has been getting away with showing us nothing, zilch, nada since it launched, and we defend it still. There are some great people here and I've had some great conversations with many of them over my time here but, for the most part, it's a bunch of greedy kids with bad attitudes and it's certainly no place to grow roots for a business. You're kidding me right? you're really good at twisting facts and logic around your pre-determined narritive, i think you missed your calling, fox news could be hiring. Most of you have no idea how a business works Yeah i know how a business works, ask people to pre-order your product, then string them along with an elaborate series of promises without EVER showing ANYTHING, and then leave in the middle of the night. you know: "business". - let alone attempting work/life balance - I have a family, friends, a very demanding job, Nobody else has any sort of balance they have to worry about in their life, it's actually just you, thanks again for talking down to us like we're simpletons. gee you mean you have a job AND a family? *does triple take* and I got into crypto-currency because it was a fun hobby! Yes I was hoping to make a profit - who wouldn't? As soon as it stopped being fun, I started losing motivation. I think you mean it stopped becoming fun for you once everyone else started to realise what you'd obviously known for a while, that octocoin was circling the drain. Very few good developers hang around long in this world because everybody wants instant gratification - they will tear everything down if it isn't built fast enough for them. You're just embarrassing yourself at this point, what is this the 4th time you've alluded to us as spoiled children? 6 MONTHS IS A FUCKING ETERNITY IN CRYPTO, WE GOT NOTHING, AND WE DID NOTHING BUT SMILE. They see dollar signs and those dollar signs quickly turn into blind rage - it's insane. you're insane, you're fantasizing an alternate reality. I will have no part of it. Except be the dev/a dev/some important guy shhh hush hush "person in the know" I'm obviously sticking with the projects I have committed to but they will progress at my pace and information will be broadcast 1-way in a new venue. You guys can sit in here tearing yourselves apart if you think that is the best way to get things back on track but I refuse to get involved.we're not tearing ourselves apart, all we want is a select few answers from you. you've answered none of them, then acted like you're above doing so because of the fallout from you avoiding all questioning. you act gentry but just because you're wearing a monocle and going "HARUMPS, WELL I NEVER!" don't make you a gentleman. you can cut the act. When I saw the direction things were going, I shook my head and got back to my life. You mean when you noticed that we were catching onto the fact that there probably hasn't been an active octocoin dev for months, you knew what was happening, but you said nothing and left. VERY gentlemanly.  Like I said, when I can put together an organized timeline and make an official statement on things I'm happy to do it but I've worked my ass off for you guys in so many ways you'll never understand again, heresay, no proof, no anything, just lip service, we should be thanking you? for WHAT? MAKE US UNDERSTAND! TELL US ONE THING. and I've lost thousands of dollars in the process.

So the show goes on... and I will continue to help move things forward behind-the-scenes... but on my own terms. so you'll be some kind of secretive behind the scenes player who tells the investors nothing? gotcha, sounds new. Keep in mind, Murraycoin has been my project from the start and OctoCoin simply became something I got involved (or over my head?) in so Murraycoin takes priority. I'm not bailing this thing out on my own - we have real developers involved Who? you know something? spill it.  but we need some decent people to supplement things because this cannot be a full-time job for any of us (and it's looking like it never will be). The only winners in this market right now are the ones who create scams and hide behind false identities. zzzzzzzz, thanks for the crypto lesson, we had not idea this was a thing. I never once hid who I was because I am an honest person with good intentions. if you're an honest person, then answer the questions that hve been put to you, if you have good intentions, then answer the questions that have been put to you I don't regret getting involved in this project but I'd be lying if I said it didn't make me sad to see how this is unfolding. I'm not going to lie - my primary motivation was to protect my investment - but I honestly do care about ensuring the integrity of OctoCoin as much as possible while also protecting the investments of people in this with me.

As for the people harassing my elderly parents who called me yesterday, a police report has been filed. Obviously there isn't a lot that can be done if calls are coming from outside the US but every single incident will be reported to the authorities (I can't believe this is happening - it's beyond pathetic). Over the following few weeks, I will reach out to a number of you to get you inside the inner-circle and involved in our Slack discussions. ENOUGH! no more inner-circle bullshit, none of us are buying it. we've heard this same rhetoric for 8 months now. tell us something, or don't. but stop pretending that the right way forward is more secretive behind-the-scenes nonsense.There is a lot of positive stuff happening despite what's going on over here because we have literally been ignoring it once it degraded into 5th grade recess. 5th time you've called us children. also WHAT IS 'ALOT OF POSITIVE STUFF' that's been happening??? oh man, if only i was apart of the 'inner-circle' cause THEN i'd know the REAL truth lol If you don't hear from me within 3 weeks and feel you were unfairly overlooked, shoot me a PM and I will review your history. Perhaps we can appoint some people to be the messengers/etc but I'm done with this forum. I work 18 hours/day and sleep 3 hours/night - I've been on this planet for 31 years and the only death threats I have ever received have been from crypto-currency people. Maybe someday I'll finally learn how foolish it is to offer my help when it's needed. Maybe someday I'll learn that nothing that involves strangers on the Internet is ever going to be a fun hobby. Regardless, this entire situation is bullshit. An adult venue is required with constructive input and people willing to do their part if we're going to get this thing on track. Maybe it should start with you acting like an adult and addressing the questions and concerns that you've purposely avoided? how can you call for a "return to civility" when you won't be civil with us? We need people who understand marketing, allure, possess common sense, and are willing to put in at least some effort. You guys are like one giant wrecking ball. whoa this guy loves heaping on the compliments, seems like you're very interested in focusing blame on us, you know the people who know nothing, and have no power or control over any of this. yeah, it's our fault.

To summarize: we'll get there... but I'm done with this forum.

to summarize:

What is your relation to the devs, what "situation" happened that everyone left without any of us being notified, what is your association with the Alliance of Angels who claim to have never heard of you, and most importantly, what were your multiple conference calls with the "octocoin devs" about?

and as a bonus question, how long did you know about the imminent collapse of octocoin whole telling no one?