I saw the whole exchange, and it was fruitless indeed, despite 8cyl's fantastic (& polite) posts, which ended up getting him banned. Even a mod questioned another why he was banned, but no real answer. These people cannot be saved/helped any longer, i've tried as well - they refuse to listen at all - go back and read the cult post on the past 2 pages, this is exactly what hashtalk is. I'm almost convinced there is some church of GAW hiding somewhere, and that's who all these people are... It's really bizarre to be honest. you just can't make this shit up, you really can't.