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Re: Bitmain launches the Z9 Equihash miner
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Angelob
on 09/08/2018, 06:22:27 UTC
wow where are you guys getting your builder bob expertise from?

a/c units utilize whats known as an "A" coil evaporator.. its built in line to the flow of air in your duct work. if you "pushed" air through the evap coild you would be cooling the exhaust or return air flow of your circulating system, quite defeating the purpose of getting cental air.

if you are talking about the condensor coil outside the home, yes in general I would consider they pull air because it more evenly draws air through the fins.

data centers facilitate whatever the cooling configuration of the room is.. if a hot/cold isle dc is in effect you arent going to exhaust your hot air into the cold isle. 1/2/3/4u chassis only mount to racks in one direction. mostly dealing with supermicro equipment its all been preconfigured to push air across board/components.

ideally though push is a more efficient system. automotive research has proven this fact.. but airflow is a tricky thing and a proper fan shroud will make or break your cooling system.

on my old s7 single fan unit I have noticed reversing airflow aided performance.. not sure why but it didnt adversly affect the lifespan of the unit.

I made some posts about it if anyone cares to check history.

like you, air cond, air flow, ducting, static air, velocity, volume etc, in the old days before flexi duct it was a science, now days they just wack a monster on the slab and away it goes. LOL

cheers.
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Re: Bitmain launches the Z9 Equihash miner
by
Angelob
on 09/08/2018, 04:40:05 UTC
Has anyone done any research on reversing the airflow?  AND even putting the fan on the other end and pulling the air through?


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4404847.msg43446447#msg43446447

Re: Z9 list of working pools/Fork updates
Today at 04:55:03 AM
Reply with quote  +Merit  #637
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Quote from: xxoanser on August 03, 2018, 09:06:20 AM

https://preview.ibb.co/modtYz/IMG_20180803_090110.jpg
https://preview.ibb.co/nCEHtz/Screenshot_2018_08_03_08_55_10_483_com_android_chrome.png

I only reversed the airflow


My temps at 750mhz:
Before: 67-71° at 80%
Now: 54-59 at 70%

Is it possible that your fan had been set the wrong way from the factory? Can you confirm which direction the air flows now after you switched? And how about sound, did it change in any way (especially the pitch)?

The fan used to suck air in, now its blowing out. Speed is about 1k rpm less.

To avoid confusion, it pushed air in, now it is pulling air out, correct?


correct

I actually just tried this out and now my fan is pulling air out (blowing out and not through the machine) and my PCB temps dropped 9-11 degrees per PCB and about 4-6 degrees per chip.  Fan on auto also it spinning about 1k RPM lower and doesn't do the constant up and down ramping when I had it the other way.  Seems strange they wouldn't try this configuration and ship it that way...

Pulling air is a better method of cooling.  Proven in data centers, A/C units,..  I will be moving my fans to the back of the unit and the blank metal plate to the front of the unit in my data center on Tuesday and give a report on it.

A/C units pull air because the coil is very close and larger than the fan and an even air flow through the coil is desired.

Also be carefull when pulling air over uneven coil as in the Z9 mini, the air will flow more with the least resistance areas, if you push air and the coil/ fins are close like the Z9, the static pressured air will not have time to find another course through the fins. In other words its better to push in on the Z9.


I just took the Z9minis and put them into the garage with the fan on the back end.  The first two are of them running with the fan on the front pushing the air (original).  The second two are them running with the fan on the back pulling the air through.


---FAN ON THE FRONT---

https://i.imgur.com/8LTEUYf.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/3PrT67Z.jpg


---FAN ON THE BACK---

https://i.imgur.com/3j2azZU.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/6lnaiIB.jpg

What did you do with the rear grill and fan grill?.


I put the entire grill that was on the back onto the front.  I took the fan and plate from the front and put it on the back.
[/quote]

Ok, a couple of things to think about.

The original fan setup pics show that the fans are stepping in speed, this is a good thing, as the chip temp changes the fan adjusts. is the suction fan stepping, if its not and is constant thats not good.

The fan speed changes with pcb sensor, not completly sure if the temp chip sensor engages fan speed, could be secondary limit. Either way the drop in fan speed between the suction fan setup is due to lower pcb sensor temp, not necessarily from a better setup.

Have a look at the heatsink setup, the top of the unit has little restriction, and air can flow easily through this area, also the left side is board no 3 (bottom sensor) it has always the hottest readings, but it should be the coolest you would think, why because it flows more air near it, notice the gap between the board and the side case, a good 15mm, now have a look at the other side, board no 1 top sensor its always the second hottest and you would think it would be the hottest, it has less space than the rest, its jammed against the side wall.
This is a good example in the original setup of static pressure forcing air into the restricted board no 1, where as board no 3 the static pressure on the fins are lost and escapes around the 15mm gap in the side wall, more air passes but its hotter.

Im being objective here only to theroise what is happening with suction setup.

Nowing the air will suck easly through that big 15mm side gap and through the single fins at the top of the unit and through the gaps between the boards and swirl the air causing a pcb and chip temp drop. As i have suggested in the first post with the sensors being at the rear, The reason i suggest this is i have been able to reduce the pcb temps by redirecting the air and forcing it to flow closer to the sensors.

The suction setup could be good, i'm just not confident that its better due to all the factors in play,  some ways you could improve the unit without changing the fan setup, firstly remove the rear grill and put it aside. second, remove the fan grill, i made a new grill like a mouse cage and fitted it over the fan approx 50mm deep, also raise the unit off the table so the air can go through the cage bottom into the fan. third make a thin metal plate, best if i send a pic its a bit complicated, the plate improves pcb temps and brings down board no 3 now board no 1 is the hottest, its working well for me hope it does the same for you.

https://imgur.com/suA5T9q
https://imgur.com/EOK7lxd
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Re: Bitmain launches the Z9 Equihash miner
by
Angelob
on 08/08/2018, 14:00:17 UTC
Has anyone done any research on reversing the airflow?  AND even putting the fan on the other end and pulling the air through?


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4404847.msg43446447#msg43446447

Re: Z9 list of working pools/Fork updates
Today at 04:55:03 AM
Reply with quote  +Merit  #637
Quote from: greyday on Today at 03:42:17 AM
Quote from: acidrush on Today at 03:29:55 AM
Quote from: Sprucemoose78 on Today at 03:26:07 AM
Quote from: xxoanser on August 03, 2018, 09:06:20 AM

https://preview.ibb.co/modtYz/IMG_20180803_090110.jpg
https://preview.ibb.co/nCEHtz/Screenshot_2018_08_03_08_55_10_483_com_android_chrome.png

I only reversed the airflow


My temps at 750mhz:
Before: 67-71° at 80%
Now: 54-59 at 70%

Is it possible that your fan had been set the wrong way from the factory? Can you confirm which direction the air flows now after you switched? And how about sound, did it change in any way (especially the pitch)?

The fan used to suck air in, now its blowing out. Speed is about 1k rpm less.

To avoid confusion, it pushed air in, now it is pulling air out, correct?


correct

I actually just tried this out and now my fan is pulling air out (blowing out and not through the machine) and my PCB temps dropped 9-11 degrees per PCB and about 4-6 degrees per chip.  Fan on auto also it spinning about 1k RPM lower and doesn't do the constant up and down ramping when I had it the other way.  Seems strange they wouldn't try this configuration and ship it that way...

Pulling air is a better method of cooling.  Proven in data centers, A/C units,..  I will be moving my fans to the back of the unit and the blank metal plate to the front of the unit in my data center on Tuesday and give a report on it.

A/C units pull air because the coil is very close and larger than the fan and an even air flow through the coil is desired.

Also be carefull when pulling air over uneven coil as in the Z9 mini, the air will flow more with the least resistance areas, if you push air and the coil/ fins are close like the Z9, the static pressured air will not have time to find another course through the fins. In other words its better to push in on the Z9.


I just took the Z9minis and put them into the garage with the fan on the back end.  The first two are of them running with the fan on the front pushing the air (original).  The second two are them running with the fan on the back pulling the air through.


---FAN ON THE FRONT---

https://i.imgur.com/8LTEUYf.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/3PrT67Z.jpg


---FAN ON THE BACK---

https://i.imgur.com/3j2azZU.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/6lnaiIB.jpg

[/quote]
What did you do with the rear grill and fan grill?.
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Re: Bitmain launches the Z9 Equihash miner
by
Angelob
on 07/08/2018, 12:38:00 UTC
Has anyone tried to put second fan for extraction?
What do you want to achieve, cooler chips, less noise or both, then put one of these on the fan end. Grin

Look at this on eBay
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com.au%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F192612612089
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Re: Bitmain launches the Z9 Equihash miner
by
Angelob
on 06/08/2018, 10:03:27 UTC

Sorry to burst your bubble, but you are creating false readings and you are putting stress on the unit.

 There are 4 chips on each board and  3 x boards, total of 12 chips, the sensor is on the last chip to the rear bottom of each board, the other 3 chips on the board are at the front near the fan, if you reverse the fan the sensored chip is getting cold air first and the other 3 chips on the board are getting hotter air, also the senor pcb is getting fresh air first, not good scenario for the 3 unsensord chips which is now hotter than the sensored chip and the fan is not activating to their real temps.

Normally they are always cooler than the sensored chip and have no need to be monitored.


this makes perfect sense if the hardware architecture was built like this. in this case, with the reversed airflow, the lower temp reading is fooling the control board to slow down the fan therefore cooling the 3 other chips less than required so for all we know, the 4th chip (with the sensor) is fine while the other 3 is roasting away...

Furthermore if you look at the fan speed, chip and pcb temps they don't add up, the fan is running way to high for the  temps, I would suggest that the fan is not able to pick up the air, being blocked by the heat sink fins, this would create a vacume and in turn free reving with minimal load, or i am missing something else but i dont think so.
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Re: Bitmain launches the Z9 Equihash miner
by
Angelob
on 06/08/2018, 04:11:25 UTC
Has anyone done any research on reversing the airflow?  AND even putting the fan on the other end and pulling the air through?


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4404847.msg43446447#msg43446447

Re: Z9 list of working pools/Fork updates
Today at 04:55:03 AM
Reply with quote  +Merit  #637
Quote from: greyday on Today at 03:42:17 AM
Quote from: acidrush on Today at 03:29:55 AM
Quote from: Sprucemoose78 on Today at 03:26:07 AM
Quote from: xxoanser on August 03, 2018, 09:06:20 AM

https://preview.ibb.co/modtYz/IMG_20180803_090110.jpg
https://preview.ibb.co/nCEHtz/Screenshot_2018_08_03_08_55_10_483_com_android_chrome.png

I only reversed the airflow


My temps at 750mhz:
Before: 67-71° at 80%
Now: 54-59 at 70%

Is it possible that your fan had been set the wrong way from the factory? Can you confirm which direction the air flows now after you switched? And how about sound, did it change in any way (especially the pitch)?

The fan used to suck air in, now its blowing out. Speed is about 1k rpm less.

To avoid confusion, it pushed air in, now it is pulling air out, correct?


correct

I actually just tried this out and now my fan is pulling air out (blowing out and not through the machine) and my PCB temps dropped 9-11 degrees per PCB and about 4-6 degrees per chip.  Fan on auto also it spinning about 1k RPM lower and doesn't do the constant up and down ramping when I had it the other way.  Seems strange they wouldn't try this configuration and ship it that way...

Pulling air is a better method of cooling.  Proven in data centers, A/C units,..  I will be moving my fans to the back of the unit and the blank metal plate to the front of the unit in my data center on Tuesday and give a report on it.

[/quote]
A/C units pull air because the coil is very close and larger than the fan and an even air flow through the coil is desired.

Also be carefull when pulling air over uneven coil as in the Z9 mini, the air will flow more with the least resistance areas, if you push air and the coil/ fins are close like the Z9, the static pressured air will not have time to find another course through the fins. In other words its better to push in on the Z9.
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Re: Bitmain launches the Z9 Equihash miner
by
Angelob
on 06/08/2018, 00:54:22 UTC
⭐ Merited by yrk1957 (3)
Has anyone done any research on reversing the airflow?  AND even putting the fan on the other end and pulling the air through?


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4404847.msg43446447#msg43446447

Re: Z9 list of working pools/Fork updates
Today at 04:55:03 AM
Reply with quote  +Merit  #637
Quote from: greyday on Today at 03:42:17 AM
Quote from: acidrush on Today at 03:29:55 AM
Quote from: Sprucemoose78 on Today at 03:26:07 AM
Quote from: xxoanser on August 03, 2018, 09:06:20 AM

https://preview.ibb.co/modtYz/IMG_20180803_090110.jpg
https://preview.ibb.co/nCEHtz/Screenshot_2018_08_03_08_55_10_483_com_android_chrome.png

I only reversed the airflow


My temps at 750mhz:
Before: 67-71° at 80%
Now: 54-59 at 70%

Is it possible that your fan had been set the wrong way from the factory? Can you confirm which direction the air flows now after you switched? And how about sound, did it change in any way (especially the pitch)?

The fan used to suck air in, now its blowing out. Speed is about 1k rpm less.

To avoid confusion, it pushed air in, now it is pulling air out, correct?


correct



Sorry to burst your bubble, but you are creating false readings and you are putting stress on the unit.

 There are 4 chips on each board and  3 x boards, total of 12 chips, the sensor is on the last chip to the rear bottom of each board, the other 3 chips on the board are at the front near the fan, if you reverse the fan the sensored chip is getting cold air first and the other 3 chips on the board are getting hotter air, also the senor pcb is getting fresh air first, not good scenario for the 3 unsensord chips which is now hotter than the sensored chip and the fan is not activating to their real temps.

Normally they are always cooler than the sensored chip and have no need to be monitored.
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Re: Z9 list of working pools/Fork updates
by
Angelob
on 06/08/2018, 00:26:05 UTC
Sorry to burst your bubble, but you are creating false readings and you are putting stress on the unit.

 There are 4 chips on each board and  3 x boards, total of 12 chips, the sensor is on the last chip to the rear bottom of each board, the other 3 chips on the board are at the front near the fan, if you reverse the fan the sensored chip is getting cold air first and the other 3 chips on the board are getting hotter air, also the senor pcb is getting fresh air first, not good scenario for the 3 unsensord chips which is now hotter than the sensored chip and the fan is not activating to their real temps.

Normally they are always cooler than the sensored chip and have no need to be monitored.

Cheers.
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Re: who bought bitmain Z9 will face a big issues now
by
Angelob
on 08/05/2018, 23:27:38 UTC
Bitmain site are now selling 50 units per order.