My first job was in manufacturing. I created things. Things that other people want
Ok, let me put it this way. What if you created something that you want, then wouldn't your labor have been the price to pay for your own creation?
I don't know you so I can't dispute what your saying with evidence. However, I can only look at current trends and question things.
Nobody needs money to survive. You can't eat money, you can't cure diseases with money,
I plenty agree with that.
But I disagree that that is what creates stuff. *Perhaps it used to* It probably motivates people to save up to buy "stuff"
but let me ask you this,
Who does speculative trading help? It doesn't seem like a service that most people would have a use for.
Let me compound the issue further by questioning why labor is outsourced when people would need a job in their own country.
When looked at from an idealistic standpoint, which is what you brought up, it sounds pretty logical. However when you factor in that there are people out there hoarding money, and doing nothing useful with it. *Such as speculation*
I wonder then, at that moment, what is being created that would benefit anyone.
As an investor, you bet on goods and commodities. Which means that when you bet on a good and/or commodity to succeed *or fail*, you give up your ability to make arbitrary decisions about that good and/or commodity because your biased about it.
Now imagine the system was rigged by people with biased feelings about investments. And they exist in a system that rewards such unethical behavior. The idealism and logic of the point you brought up, falls apart.
Because, while you may be helping people. The fact those people need help in the first place was caused by the manipulations of the various markets, and their affect on the political structure.
A woman a few minutes ago posted a thread on this forum. Asking for help paying for her daughter's leukemia. In a just world, she wouldn't have to pay money to save her daughter's life. Instead she had to come here to beg.
But rather then anyone helping her, the post was deleted by admins.
If money helps so many people, then why do so many people find themselves condemned to death for lack of it?
No functional arguments for money can alleviate the wrongs committed in the pursuit of it.