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Re: 🌟🚀 [Pre-ANN] AZULIK: adding privacy to DAG fee-less instant transactions 🌟🚀
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AzulikProject
on 09/03/2018, 07:36:07 UTC
To our donators,

A member asked us in PM about the fund withdrawal.
We have been deeply shocked to see that the funds are not in our donation wallet anymore.
All the donations were sent to our cold wallets. These paper wallets were only stored in an encrypted USB key and we backup our seeds in an encrypted .rar file. We sent this file to our-self through email.
The USB key being still with us, we tried to connect to our email account and the following message appeared:

https://image.ibb.co/nRx3oS/hackproof.jpg

Our private keys have been stolen from our email account.
It seems unbelievable that we stored such sensible information online, but this email address doesn't exist for other people. We used it to create our account here and store our seeds backup, nothing else.  No-one should know about this email address.
Few days after someone on the forum asked us if we reply to email sent to this address, we realized that it was actually made public. However we didn't realized at the moment that it could lead to the hack of our email account and we just hide our email address on our profile.

We feel so bad, destroyed, we will do our best to sent back all donations with our own funds and funds of the coin ICO, however it will take time for some of you.


Regarding Azulik's future, we need to have a break from the project and step back as we feel really ashamed toward our donators. We know the best way to restore confidence is to continue the work on the project but we currently lost the willingness to work on it. We don't feel strong enough at the moment to support all the pressure and fight against the scam accusation. We will finish the work on this project, not immediately. At the moment we won't enjoy working on it.  Furthermore we will have to change the name, and redo many things to make a clean start. After that,  we will launch a proper ICO distribution and we will have the opportunity to gift our current donators with free coin, once everything is ready and hopefully forget this nightmare.

We don't ask you to believe us and we understand your doubts, we would feel the same, we will do everything we can to fix it.
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Re: 🌟🚀 [Pre-ANN] AZULIK: adding privacy to DAG fee-less instant transactions 🌟🚀
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AzulikProject
on 26/02/2018, 19:12:26 UTC
The code release date has been announced already.
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Re: 🌟🚀 [Pre-ANN] AZULIK: adding privacy to DAG fee-less instant transactions 🌟🚀
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AzulikProject
on 24/02/2018, 11:02:42 UTC
I would be more than happy to clarify your query for you. In the interim, you are more than welcome to browse online to dig deeper into all that high frequency trading encompasses. Telecommunication is a key part of the HFT as milliseconds, which in retrospect translates to millions. Therefore, within this technology, fibers and microwaves are used to transfer information. Some companies are specialising solely in building infrastructures- which essentially consists of telecommunication- as a means to beat their competitor and do trades faster than anyone else. Call it as you will, but indeed it is still within the realm of telecommunication. With regards to the PHD inquiry, please check online yourself for further information, but in laments terms, the cause of big  data and machine learning clearly implies data analysis.
Sounds good, do you know RSJ? And would be fine if you answered me PMs (2-3 week old) i would like to know your opinion

We will reply to your PM, sorry about that we get so many everyday.

I'm looking forward to seeing the website. It will be an indicator of legitimacy but what about testnet?
There hasn't been further mention of the faucet either. The timeline looks extremely optimistic if the project is indeed real
And finally, can the devs confirm that they moved a portion of the donations from the nano wallet. This would be contrary to their earlier statement

The timeline is indeed optimistic and just a draft for the mockup of the website, the next point is the 16th of march. Then we will adapt the timeline if needed.
We confirm we moved a portion of the donation from the nano wallet, it has been discussed directly with the donator who prefer to remain anonymous.
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Re: 🌟🚀 [Pre-ANN] AZULIK: adding privacy to DAG fee-less instant transactions 🌟🚀
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AzulikProject
on 22/02/2018, 21:35:12 UTC
Dear community be ready for the website very soon,
thank you for your trust and support.
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Re: 🌟🚀 [Pre-ANN] AZULIK: adding privacy to DAG fee-less instant transactions 🌟🚀
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AzulikProject
on 20/02/2018, 19:24:41 UTC
Why aren't the private transactions free aswell?
A very interesting question - thank you for bringing it to our attention.

Firstly, to understand it better we must delve into all that is represented by the Delegate Proof of Stake (DPOS). Simply put it is a protocol where all the users (owning coin) delegate their vote to a representative. The vote is then weighted by the balance of the wallet. In the end the representatives, which act like the minors to maintain the network, will validate the transaction whereas at least 51% of the network must validate a transaction for it to proceed. The 51% is determined using the entire portfolio of wallet balances.
Hence having a private wallet means that the balance will not  be displayed. The DPOS will therefore not function. To bypass this issue we have develloped a public wallet and an alias private wallet. The public wallet delegates his voting rights to a representative as the balance is public. Take into consideration we now have a public and a private wallet.

Let’s say there are no fees. It’s clear all users would prefer to enjoy the privacy feature and in turn keep their coin shares in the private wallet- yet this would lead to the issue of running the DPOS off track as the representative would no longer  be legitimate as they would represent a very small part of the network. Therefore the fees in place are an incentive to make people keep their coin in their public wallet and run node.

Furthermore, 1% of the fees will be used to remunerate the nodes, and 99% of the fees will be paid back to the network depending of their number of shares in coin. Hence, in average, if the number of transactions are higher than the number of user, each user will get back 99% of the fees paid. The 1% remaining will allow a more decentralized network for both public and private transactions. On top of that, public transactions remain free of charge, and the fee for private transactions will be very very low.

I'm not sure I understood fully but would it be possible to use a separate coin (like Gas is to Neo) but with very little or no value for the payments? Introducing a fee is always going to be unpopular I think but if the fee coin is really cheap and plentiful then maybe it won't matter. I'm thinking it should be like one ten thousandth of a cent or something like that.

Anyway thanks for answering the question. Hope all is going well with the coding, any updates are very welcome and reassuring.


Can you give us more details about the two coins, why do you think it would be better ? Do not hesitate to tell us which point isn't clear.

To me it’s a very smart approach, indeed, if you don’t have fees all user would store their coin in the private wallet, hence Sybil attack would be much easier to perform.

I really see how to use it in daily life, I receive funds on my public wallet, they are public, but as long as it’s not possible to link me with these transaction it’s all good.

So basically on my mobile wallet I will have my public and private wallet, I can transfer immediately some funds from my public to my private wallet, and they become untraceable as nor the transaction nor the balance can be accessed right ?
Yes you are right.
And  let say I go buy a coffee, I use my private wallet to pay, I’ll pay a small fee, and in the end of the day I’ll get back fees depending of my balance on my public wallet ?
Yes you got it
Hence it means If I spend coin using my private wallet my fees will be paid back, if I don’t spend I’ll be remunerated to delegate my vote to a representative, to me it sound amazing as long as the fee is low.

It's like a freemium version of Nano, it's like XRB for public transaction, but if you want another feature it's possible but for a very small fee.



Are you still checking azulikproject@yandex.com email?

No we don't please send us private message.

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Re: 🌟🚀 [Pre-ANN] AZULIK: adding privacy to DAG fee-less instant transactions 🌟🚀
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AzulikProject
on 20/02/2018, 07:47:52 UTC
Why aren't the private transactions free aswell?
A very interesting question - thank you for bringing it to our attention.

Firstly, to understand it better we must delve into all that is represented by the Delegate Proof of Stake (DPOS). Simply put it is a protocol where all the users (owning coin) delegate their vote to a representative. The vote is then weighted by the balance of the wallet. In the end the representatives, which act like the minors to maintain the network, will validate the transaction whereas at least 51% of the network must validate a transaction for it to proceed. The 51% is determined using the entire portfolio of wallet balances.
Hence having a private wallet means that the balance will not  be displayed. The DPOS will therefore not function. To bypass this issue we have develloped a public wallet and an alias private wallet. The public wallet delegates his voting rights to a representative as the balance is public. Take into consideration we now have a public and a private wallet.

Let’s say there are no fees. It’s clear all users would prefer to enjoy the privacy feature and in turn keep their coin shares in the private wallet- yet this would lead to the issue of running the DPOS off track as the representative would no longer  be legitimate as they would represent a very small part of the network. Therefore the fees in place are an incentive to make people keep their coin in their public wallet and run node.

Furthermore, 1% of the fees will be used to remunerate the nodes, and 99% of the fees will be paid back to the network depending of their number of shares in coin. Hence, in average, if the number of transactions are higher than the number of user, each user will get back 99% of the fees paid. The 1% remaining will allow a more decentralized network for both public and private transactions. On top of that, public transactions remain free of charge, and the fee for private transactions will be very very low.
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Re: 🌟🚀 [Pre-ANN] AZULIK: adding privacy to DAG fee-less instant transactions 🌟🚀
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AzulikProject
on 16/02/2018, 22:08:09 UTC
I would be more than happy to clarify your query for you. In the interim, you are more than welcome to browse online to dig deeper into all that high frequency trading encompasses. Telecommunication is a key part of the HFT as milliseconds, which in retrospect translates to millions. Therefore, within this technology, fibers and microwaves are used to transfer information. Some companies are specialising solely in building infrastructures- which essentially consists of telecommunication- as a means to beat their competitor and do trades faster than anyone else. Call it as you will, but indeed it is still within the realm of telecommunication. With regards to the PHD inquiry, please check online yourself for further information, but in laments terms, the cause of big  data and machine learning clearly implies data analysis.
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Re: 🌟🚀 [Pre-ANN] AZULIK: adding privacy to DAG fee-less instant transactions 🌟🚀
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AzulikProject
on 16/02/2018, 01:24:04 UTC

1. Could you provide any update on the tech, your research, any detail?
2. The number of coins, 666, did you make it on purpose to be like that? You may know that to some people it is, so to say, unpleasant association.
3. The testnet on the April 1st? Do you say it with the grain of resposibility? So, you are basically preparing now the testnet for the launch?



The protocol is explained at high level in the front page, we are done with the research part, and we are currently working on the implementation itself, we haven't faced any particular difficulty as of now, it's on going and we do our best to be on time.
The number 666 is basically 5 times the Nano supply, yes it may be unpleasant for some people, but we are sure it's less obvious if we say the supply will be: 666,241,445 Azulik.
We will do our best to have the testnet ready asap, our main work is currently on the code as we want everything to be working on our side to share it with you by the 16th of march. It's a very short deadline, and we do our best, we work almost every evening and every weekends on it.
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Re: 🌟🚀 [Pre-ANN] AZULIK: adding privacy to DAG fee-less instant transactions 🌟🚀
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on 16/02/2018, 00:46:41 UTC
I think the total of coins is good. If one person donate 1 ltc and today 1 ltc value is X and in 03/16 is Y the coins to distribute will be by donate X or Y ?


It's a good question we should make it clear it will be max(X,Y).



Earlier you said:

It will be valued at the rate of the day we stop the donation.

Can you confirm that this is indeed a change and you will allocate coins based on the max value of either the day the donation was made or the day the donations closed?

So if I donated 100 coins and they are worth $100 the day I donate them and then on the day that donations close the coins are worth $50 I will still get $100 worth of coins? Similarly, if the coins are worth $200 on the day donations close then I will get $200 worth of coins?

Thanks


Yes we confirm,
as the decision to not cash out our dev wallet till we need it for the marketing (...)  is our decision we don't want to impact the donators.
Hence we will value max of the price between the donation date and the day we cash out, hence what you said is correct.
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Re: 🌟🚀 [Pre-ANN] AZULIK: adding privacy to DAG fee-less instant transactions 🌟🚀
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AzulikProject
on 15/02/2018, 22:33:06 UTC
I think the total of coins is good. If one person donate 1 ltc and today 1 ltc value is X and in 03/16 is Y the coins to distribute will be by donate X or Y ?


It's a good question we should make it clear it will be max(X,Y).

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Re: 🌟🚀 [Pre-ANN] AZULIK: adding privacy to DAG fee-less instant transactions 🌟🚀
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AzulikProject
on 14/02/2018, 21:35:52 UTC
What's the total number of coins?

I think I read somewhere that it is 666 million. Not sure why the devilish number but easy to remember I guess.


Yes indeed it's 666 millions i guess because it's 5 times the Nano (XRB) supply, and i read they wanted an higher supply.

do you guys think 666 million is enough? I think I remember seeing that the devs want this to be used by everyone, for everything. If you think about how many USD, EUR, GBP, CNY, and JPY, not to mention all the other currencies of the world in in the world (The lastest M2 of USD is 18.5 trillion) the supply should be higher....otherwise the value of each Azulik coin will be very high. Not sure that matters or not unless you want the value in terms of other fiat currencies is reflects a number that is manageable. No one wants to pay for a coffee or taxi using 0.0001247 (or whatever) coins. Maybe this is a bridge to cross in the future. Would love to hear what some of the more seasoned crypto users think.

Exactly our thought, in another hand we have to think about the distribution. How to distribute many coins through faucet ? It's not easy, if we find an optimal way to distribute hence we will increase the supply.
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Re: 🌟🚀 [Pre-ANN] AZULIK: adding privacy to DAG fee-less instant transactions 🌟🚀
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AzulikProject
on 14/02/2018, 19:41:39 UTC
Yes that's it, 5 times the nano supply.
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Re: 🌟🚀 [Pre-ANN] AZULIK: adding privacy to DAG fee-less instant transactions 🌟🚀
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on 14/02/2018, 08:17:23 UTC
You have two different logos on the first page. You should stick with one.

You are right, it's actually ongoing, we are working on the logo.
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Re: 🌟🚀 [Pre-ANN] AZULIK: adding privacy to DAG fee-less instant transactions 🌟🚀
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AzulikProject
on 13/02/2018, 22:14:16 UTC
Is it possible to add XRP (Ripple) to donation list? A lot of people has XRP and transfer is really cheap. And I would like to add that the site preview looks promising Smiley

It's not currently planned as XRB is free to transfer as well, however if there is demand we will set it.

Edit: added on the front page: rUSG7uEQ9A4PpWd3TvqWwvEiNjvD18QRpR
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AzulikProject
on 13/02/2018, 19:44:46 UTC
thanks to our community, so impressed by this first version of the website mock-up:

https://image.ibb.co/gJoyWS/AZL_mockup_v1.png
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Re: 🌟🚀 [Pre-ANN] AZULIK: adding privacy to DAG fee-less instant transactions 🌟🚀
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AzulikProject
on 13/02/2018, 11:51:34 UTC
Very nice the linearisation is pretty obvious on your picture.
Can you give us more details how you handle DPOS and privacy, i mean if i go there:

https://raiblocks.net/page/representatives.php

I can see that the first representative has 21 millions coins, and it should even be possible to check all the people who delegate to this representative and check their balance. If you hide balance how DPOS will work ?

Indeed it's a good point, DPOS and privacy are two things which seem to be not compatible. Howerver we proposed this protocol that we are currently implementing :


https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2018/03/7/1516527377-azulikproject.jpg

it allows to have two layers a full anonymous coin, as well as a DPOS.


Image does not show anything useful at all and certainly does not show that you:

didn't chose the WIP approach, we used a recursive-ZK-Snakrs

There is an unspecified baseline and Approach 1 2 and 3 which are also completely unspecified. It is basically useless, lets be honest.

Perhaps you could indicate what each of the approaches and the baseline are. That would make it actually useful.



You are right indeed, it's just that the image is well know from our community as it's on the front page:

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Here are the main results of our simulations. We will try to keep it clear and easy for everyone. Please feel free to ask for further details. The idea here is to test three approaches: ZK-Snarks (3), recursive-ZK-Snakrs (2) (linearisation), and WPI (1).

We should have provided more details, thank you for asking.

Thanks for the clarification.

So WPI is faster but I'm assuming you went with recursive zkSnarks because it is not too much slower and I'm guessing it has other advantages over WPI? Perhaps easier to implement?

Yes indeed, the Zk-snarks is a well known process, stable and easier to use and implement given the low difference with WPI we decided to use the linearisation.
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Re: 🌟🚀 [Pre-ANN] AZULIK: adding privacy to DAG fee-less instant transactions 🌟🚀
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on 11/02/2018, 10:21:26 UTC

Image does not show anything useful at all and certainly does not show that you:

didn't chose the WIP approach, we used a recursive-ZK-Snakrs

There is an unspecified baseline and Approach 1 2 and 3 which are also completely unspecified. It is basically useless, lets be honest.

Perhaps you could indicate what each of the approaches and the baseline are. That would make it actually useful.



You are right indeed, it's just that the image is well know from our community as it's on the front page:

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Here are the main results of our simulations. We will try to keep it clear and easy for everyone. Please feel free to ask for further details. The idea here is to test three approaches: ZK-Snarks (3), recursive-ZK-Snakrs (2) (linearisation), and WPI (1).

We should have provided more details, thank you for asking.
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Re: 🌟🚀 [Pre-ANN] AZULIK: adding privacy to DAG fee-less instant transactions 🌟🚀
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AzulikProject
on 10/02/2018, 20:20:02 UTC
What additional details/update do you have for the community regarding your WIP approach?

As you can see on the image below we actually didn't chose the WIP approach, we used a recursive-ZK-Snakrs  which is basically a linearisation of the ZK-Snakrs  making it much faster, however it require more computation power but our simulations and testes revealed that it's actually widely feasible.
 
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2018/03/6/1516471445-finalresultsazulik.jpg

I would like to ask about hash based signature XMSS, if you were considering pros and cons to add XMSS to the Azulik code and to provide your explanation

For the hash used, we will stay with Blake2, after reading JP Aumasson books it would convince everyone that it's currently one of the most efficient hash function. For Azulik the hash algorithm isn't used for proof of work and the hash chosen doesn't really bring upside whereas using hash based signature XMSS  would bring complexity and probably instability. (To be honest we aren't very familiar with XMSS).

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Re: 🌟🚀 [Pre-ANN] AZULIK: adding privacy to DAG fee-less instant transactions 🌟🚀
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on 10/02/2018, 13:20:04 UTC
We have updated the front page, nice to see all your support we are well aware we have to deliver very clean work as we all believe here that XRB with privacy will be the coin of the year.
Azulik devs, I'm rooting for you. Make it happen! Smiley
Don't be like Manta who have done an exit scam already

so manta is a confirmed scam? and the others not (yet)?
For now, Manta is probably confirmed scam. Others, we don't know yet.

Our point is that what Manta and Stone say they will do isn't feasible.

Their way to see things is too simple, and i have never seen one of them address the DPOS with privacy issue, nor being challenged with their approach. Feel free to ask as many technical questions as you want for Azulik, we are very comfortable with our protocol.
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Re: 🌟🚀 [Pre-ANN] AZULIK: adding privacy to DAG fee-less instant transactions 🌟🚀
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AzulikProject
on 09/02/2018, 22:11:44 UTC
Just sent you guys a very small donation. Please confirm you received it and I will then send the full donation I am committed to

Txn ID 0x73232559b4596488cffe8c3c56aa9ef25ca989496b87643c187399fd7d4c7ab1



Don't worry dude that is what crypto is all about. I am not much bigger just a sent a sliver more than you, don't fret about the $. We all here to see decentralized coins integrated into the economy Cool

TXID for me: 0x502a1fb70f6a8a1c70cae49dae7fa4f7721c03789ed2bded2dfc5add164c1584

Look forward to seeing this project come to fruition dev Smiley

The list of donators is updated.
We should very soon have a website, thanks to all of you, what a great community.