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A long time ago Josh Zerlan was a normal guy who would come and eat hot dogs with us...
A long time ago Josh Zerlan was a normal guy who would come and eat hot dogs with us...
Here's the same crew a couple hours later waning and waxing their hot dogs after enjoying a few beers.
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http://ia601803.us.archive.org/33/items/gov.uscourts.ksd.97083/gov.uscourts.ksd.97083.73.0.pdf
"Grimm, for a treat, if BFL sent X miners to Netsolus, Y miners to Nimbus, and Z miners to its own cloud mining facility, how many bitcoins could Bruce Peterson steal in terms of N? Please show your work, Grimm, or no treat."
Grimm: That's a tough one, Nitro. Before I answer you that, Bruce Peterson is the DaBitcoinGuy, correct? And, is that a bacon treat or beef? I'm watching my diet. Speaking of diet, Nitro, you're looking like shit lately, and quit looking out the window. There's nobody there.
Interesting defense strstegy: "we have no idea of what we did with our money, products, and customers during the life of the company, sorry".
They are refusing to inform the blockchain addresses used by employees, including the top management, is that right?
again I am still in awe of them still not in jail.....I mean if it is this easy for the meager minds of josh and sonny to string this along so long...what must
a well run criminal enterprise get away with? (shudder) jeez
take a look at the USA/UK/Europe coalition! Fucking world destroying, that's what!
I just read from Alex Jones that the planet is being taken over by Zerlans. Connection?
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Plaintiffs counsel has obtained records from Netsolus, Inc., a third party who hosted the mining machines for the Nimbus Mining partnership and cloud mining. The Netsolus records show that detailed records were created showing the precise number of bitcoins mined on a daily and monthly basis. It is hard to believe with a reasonable inquiry BFL cannot determine the number of bitcoins it received from a partnership of which it was a partner and from its own cloud mining. With this number, the number of bitcoins obtained from the testing of equipment prior to shipping may be determined with simple math.
"Grimm, for a treat, if BFL sent X miners to Netsolus, Y miners to Nimbus, and Z miners to its own cloud mining facility, how many bitcoins could Bruce Peterson steal in terms of N? Please show your work, Grimm, or no treat."
Grimm: That's a tough one, Nitro. Before I answer you that, Bruce Peterson is the DaBitcoinGuy, correct? And, is that a bacon treat or beef? I'm watching my diet. Speaking of diet, Nitro, you're looking like shit lately, and quit looking out the window. There's nobody there.
Interesting defense strstegy: "we have no idea of what we did with our money, products, and customers during the life of the company, sorry".
They are refusing to inform the blockchain addresses used by employees, including the top management, is that right?
again I am still in awe of them still not in jail.....I mean if it is this easy for the meager minds of josh and sonny to string this along so long...what must
a well run criminal enterprise get away with? (shudder) jeez
take a look at the USA/UK/Europe coalition! Fucking world destroying, that's what!
I just read from Alex Jones that the planet is being taken over by Zerlans. Connection?
http://ia601803.us.archive.org/33/items/gov.uscourts.ksd.97083/gov.uscourts.ksd.97083.73.0.pdf
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"Oh my God! The planet is being taken over by Zerlans."
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When asked whether BFL ordered, manufactured, or shipped bitcoin mining units after receiving the spoliation letter, BFLs counsel responded something to the effect of any normal human mind would know the answer to that question is yes.
http://www.ringoffireradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/joneseyes.jpg
"Oh my God! The planet is being taken over by Zerlans."
http://ia801803.us.archive.org/33/items/gov.uscourts.ksd.97083/gov.uscourts.ksd.97083.73.10.pdf
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17. Identify all current and former employees of Defendant or non-employees who have operated in the capacity of a manager or supervisor for Defendant.
ANSWER:
Current
Sonny Vleisides VP of Product Development
Nasser Ghoseiri Chief Technology Officer
Jeff Ownby VP of Marketing and Ecommerce
Jody Drake General Manager
Marc Goodpasture Production Manager
Josh Zerlan Operations Manager
David McClain Account Manager
Bruce Bourne Non-Employee Consultant
Jurie Pieterse Non-Employee Consultant
Former
Anthony Fast - Marketing Manager
Brian Pollmiller Shipping Supervisor
Debra Grantham Warehouse Supervisor
Brett Cederholm Warehouse Supervisor
Alicia Suenaga Customer Service Supervisor
Zach Weaver Customer Service Supervisor
Ana Janeth Zamarron Assembly Supervisor
Paul Scholes Assistant Account Supervisor
ANSWER:
Current
Sonny Vleisides VP of Product Development
Nasser Ghoseiri Chief Technology Officer
Jeff Ownby VP of Marketing and Ecommerce
Jody Drake General Manager
Marc Goodpasture Production Manager
Josh Zerlan Operations Manager
David McClain Account Manager
Bruce Bourne Non-Employee Consultant
Jurie Pieterse Non-Employee Consultant
Former
Anthony Fast - Marketing Manager
Brian Pollmiller Shipping Supervisor
Debra Grantham Warehouse Supervisor
Brett Cederholm Warehouse Supervisor
Alicia Suenaga Customer Service Supervisor
Zach Weaver Customer Service Supervisor
Ana Janeth Zamarron Assembly Supervisor
Paul Scholes Assistant Account Supervisor
That's funny. BFL tried to frame me as a simple customer service employee in the FTC case and Josh/Inaba even declared on this forum that I wasn't part of management, but yet now I am again. Huzzah!
Oh, the wind, the wind is blowing,
Through the graves the wind is blowing,
Through the graves the wind is blowing,
You know how BFL is! Titles change on regular basis. Next month, perhaps, you'll be COO-COO.
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Links to public documents are available upon request.
Here are where all the files that I've been quoting: http://ia801803.us.archive.org/33/items/gov.uscourts.ksd.97083/gov.uscourts.ksd.97083.docket.html
Ah okay, now I understand, this case seems to be a class action against BFL if I recall correctly. This may be funded by multiple members.
It's because of this case that theymos released tens of thousands of vitals and private conversations, among myriad other info.
http://ia801803.us.archive.org/33/items/gov.uscourts.ksd.97083/gov.uscourts.ksd.97083.73.12.pdf
Are there forensic tools readily available that could uncover deleted files if BFL did do such?
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The purpose of this letter is to place Defendant BFL on notice of its duty to
preserve potential evidence, and information likely to lead to admissible evidence, in
this case. On behalf of the Plaintiff Class, Plaintiffs demand that Defendant BFL take
immediate steps to preserve all electronic data, documents, and media in its possession
or control, including but not limited to immediate suspension of all routine purging of
all said data and the media on which said data is stored. Please note that paper printouts
of text or other data existing on electronic files or media are no substitute for the
electronic files themselves and do not relieve Defendant BFL of its obligation to preserve
the electronic data and files and the media on which they are stored. Please note that the
rules of law prohibiting the destruction or spoliation of evidence and providing for the
imposition of sanctions for the negligent or willful destruction or spoliation of evidence,
apply to electronic information with the same force as they apply to other kinds of
evidence.
preserve potential evidence, and information likely to lead to admissible evidence, in
this case. On behalf of the Plaintiff Class, Plaintiffs demand that Defendant BFL take
immediate steps to preserve all electronic data, documents, and media in its possession
or control, including but not limited to immediate suspension of all routine purging of
all said data and the media on which said data is stored. Please note that paper printouts
of text or other data existing on electronic files or media are no substitute for the
electronic files themselves and do not relieve Defendant BFL of its obligation to preserve
the electronic data and files and the media on which they are stored. Please note that the
rules of law prohibiting the destruction or spoliation of evidence and providing for the
imposition of sanctions for the negligent or willful destruction or spoliation of evidence,
apply to electronic information with the same force as they apply to other kinds of
evidence.
Are there forensic tools readily available that could uncover deleted files if BFL did do such?
http://ia801803.us.archive.org/33/items/gov.uscourts.ksd.97083/gov.uscourts.ksd.97083.73.12.pdf
I'll trade the addresses of Alexa Fuller and Chris Vleisides for A.D. Douma's address and pack of Juicy Fruit gum.
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G. IROG No. 13.
BFL has not provided the addresses for Alexa Fuller, Chris Vleisides, or A.D. Douma.
BFL has not provided the addresses for Alexa Fuller, Chris Vleisides, or A.D. Douma.
I'll trade the addresses of Alexa Fuller and Chris Vleisides for A.D. Douma's address and pack of Juicy Fruit gum.
http://ia801803.us.archive.org/33/items/gov.uscourts.ksd.97083/gov.uscourts.ksd.97083.73.12.pdf
In BFL's defense, I'm calling Wood Law a liar. Surely, there had to be a second time.
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BFLs discovery responses are the most egregious Ive encountered
in my career. This is the first time in my career where a defendant has produced zero
documents in response to requests for production of documents. This is also the first
time in my career where a defendant has refused to produce the documents it disclosed
in its initial disclosures.
in my career. This is the first time in my career where a defendant has produced zero
documents in response to requests for production of documents. This is also the first
time in my career where a defendant has refused to produce the documents it disclosed
in its initial disclosures.
In BFL's defense, I'm calling Wood Law a liar. Surely, there had to be a second time.
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19. All communications, payments, and other documents sent to or from Defendant and any retained expert relating or referring to this action.
ANSWER:
No documents exist. BF Labs intends to fully comply with its expert discovery
obligations under Rule 26 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure.
ANSWER:
No documents exist. BF Labs intends to fully comply with its expert discovery
obligations under Rule 26 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure.
Amazing! Wood Law took on a case against BFL where their client has no proof that a payment was ever made to BFL, yet BFL has released tons of paperwork related to this case that obviously has no merit since no documents exist that Law's client paid for a bitcoin miner.
http://ia801803.us.archive.org/33/items/gov.uscourts.ksd.97083/gov.uscourts.ksd.97083.73.11.pdf
BFL Forum: Blah, blah, blah.
SLok: Delete!
Somebody enlighten me as to where I can view deleted posts on BFL's forum that's publicly available elsewhere. Such has to exist otherwise BFL wouldn't be telling a judge indirectly that all deleted posts by SLok from BFL's forum is still readily available on the internet if one so chooses to burden themselves and look.
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14. An electronic copy of the Defendants websites including any previous versions.
ANSWER:
BF Labs objects to this request as it seeks production of documents that can be obtained
from publicly available sources where the burden of searching for, collecting, or compiling such
documents is substantially the same for Plaintiffs as for BF Labs.
ANSWER:
BF Labs objects to this request as it seeks production of documents that can be obtained
from publicly available sources where the burden of searching for, collecting, or compiling such
documents is substantially the same for Plaintiffs as for BF Labs.
BFL Forum: Blah, blah, blah.
SLok: Delete!
Somebody enlighten me as to where I can view deleted posts on BFL's forum that's publicly available elsewhere. Such has to exist otherwise BFL wouldn't be telling a judge indirectly that all deleted posts by SLok from BFL's forum is still readily available on the internet if one so chooses to burden themselves and look.
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22. How many bitcoins has Defendant mined (either by itself or by someone else on Defendants behalf) for Defendants own benefit since Defendant was formed?
ANSWER:
BF Labs has mined or received as its share of cloud-based mining approximately 8124.58 bitcoins.
ANSWER:
BF Labs has mined or received as its share of cloud-based mining approximately 8124.58 bitcoins.
"23. Collectively, how many bitcoins has Defendant's clients mined with their Monarchs?
ANSWER:
We have no idea, but our best guess is nowhere near 8124.58 bitcoins. Better luck next time with are next gen miners because we learned from our mistakes, Honest Abe."
http://ia801803.us.archive.org/33/items/gov.uscourts.ksd.97083/gov.uscourts.ksd.97083.73.10.pdf
I give! Which one is SLok who MANAGED/SUPERVISED BFL's forum? SLok had basically the same authority as Josh Zerlan in administering BFL's forum and was compensated according, so why isn't his name on the list, and if it is, which person is it?
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17. Identify all current and former employees of Defendant or non-employees who have operated in the capacity of a manager or supervisor for Defendant.
ANSWER:
Current
Sonny Vleisides VP of Product Development
Nasser Ghoseiri Chief Technology Officer
Jeff Ownby VP of Marketing and Ecommerce
Jody Drake General Manager
Marc Goodpasture Production Manager
Josh Zerlan Operations Manager
David McClain Account Manager
Bruce Bourne Non-Employee Consultant
Jurie Pieterse Non-Employee Consultant
Former
Anthony Fast - Marketing Manager
Brian Pollmiller Shipping Supervisor
Debra Grantham Warehouse Supervisor
Brett Cederholm Warehouse Supervisor
Alicia Suenaga Customer Service Supervisor
Zach Weaver Customer Service Supervisor
Ana Janeth Zamarron Assembly Supervisor
Paul Scholes Assistant Account Supervisor
ANSWER:
Current
Sonny Vleisides VP of Product Development
Nasser Ghoseiri Chief Technology Officer
Jeff Ownby VP of Marketing and Ecommerce
Jody Drake General Manager
Marc Goodpasture Production Manager
Josh Zerlan Operations Manager
David McClain Account Manager
Bruce Bourne Non-Employee Consultant
Jurie Pieterse Non-Employee Consultant
Former
Anthony Fast - Marketing Manager
Brian Pollmiller Shipping Supervisor
Debra Grantham Warehouse Supervisor
Brett Cederholm Warehouse Supervisor
Alicia Suenaga Customer Service Supervisor
Zach Weaver Customer Service Supervisor
Ana Janeth Zamarron Assembly Supervisor
Paul Scholes Assistant Account Supervisor
I give! Which one is SLok who MANAGED/SUPERVISED BFL's forum? SLok had basically the same authority as Josh Zerlan in administering BFL's forum and was compensated according, so why isn't his name on the list, and if it is, which person is it?
http://ia801803.us.archive.org/33/items/gov.uscourts.ksd.97083/gov.uscourts.ksd.97083.73.10.pdf
The above answer was provided by Dave McClain. It's possible that his moles are affected his brain and developing early signs of Mutrux Decease because he forgot to add the 12uyvDAC8LNU8yGcW8dYLGPToSD2JenVf address. Since we're only talking about a million dollars worth of bitcoins that funneled through that account, I guess we can let it slide as being irrelevant.
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15. Identify all bitcoin addresses operated, owned, utilized, or otherwise controlled by Defendant or Defendants agents or employees.
ANSWER:
BF Labs objects to this Interrogatory to the extent it seeks information relating to the
bitcoin addresses owned by BF Labs agents or employees that are not operated, owned, utilized,
or otherwise controlled by BF Labs. BF Labs will not answer this interrogatory to the extent it
seeks such information. Subject to the foregoing objection,
18UxwNVLPo7vyRkCgs5wusUfhhbMYhApAu
14uocwfztA3GQpT1RT6jST9gw1B6pNPEWM
15os4NVs4BqCJg1SaijQJC7T8aLQM7YeY8
1LaWJTs6xbDAvrf6YFRWGnPRNY6UkP98WD
13PVf3oUrbpEJZYoEaouKvR5rqp2x1j84k
14c2bDM17reCLH68uubeSeQygnM2uo5zY2
1QAHVyRzkmD4j1pU5W89htZ3c6D6E7iWDs
1DYqanUjJ6hGaECPj2CMatbW1uBduRWaw8
12HmUEdk3fqz9W4SEf1xjxPqvkGDqAqHyc
13vx46HBN8FViQAy4uFkdvUX5RjAFAuXsY
1EGknUZnQCLTBHH7v2f7PP8vkY42zHbY8y
38PEdxeoJUf12RTzg7Ay6Pu7kV7pqxHA1q
1MPYyQiJ16JpfQ1ab2cVEfncNGo5GLU77a
13cWs3fZDcB4x6myLGByZBVhWiMFYX5QD3
1FLhdDdX5b3A8Jt7uTeLmRnRugR8Dd5syT
1ERVh27gZfPSDaaagL9R3W12xpMJ38ZBA7
15v3sXGh6PDpQXcCmVYRf7H2ryRL5EVsu6
18M9o2mXNjNR96yKe7eyY6pfP6Nx4Nso3d
1NKygkkRpjDmboWEXXEsAFDEKheZ2pBVxo
1GhYFmoDgtyJsYFFWhZ2YmeVj2GHsTPTUC
1BM8dkK77yvwGk7ucqoNn8eDTBFy8jXjLQ
ANSWER:
BF Labs objects to this Interrogatory to the extent it seeks information relating to the
bitcoin addresses owned by BF Labs agents or employees that are not operated, owned, utilized,
or otherwise controlled by BF Labs. BF Labs will not answer this interrogatory to the extent it
seeks such information. Subject to the foregoing objection,
18UxwNVLPo7vyRkCgs5wusUfhhbMYhApAu
14uocwfztA3GQpT1RT6jST9gw1B6pNPEWM
15os4NVs4BqCJg1SaijQJC7T8aLQM7YeY8
1LaWJTs6xbDAvrf6YFRWGnPRNY6UkP98WD
13PVf3oUrbpEJZYoEaouKvR5rqp2x1j84k
14c2bDM17reCLH68uubeSeQygnM2uo5zY2
1QAHVyRzkmD4j1pU5W89htZ3c6D6E7iWDs
1DYqanUjJ6hGaECPj2CMatbW1uBduRWaw8
12HmUEdk3fqz9W4SEf1xjxPqvkGDqAqHyc
13vx46HBN8FViQAy4uFkdvUX5RjAFAuXsY
1EGknUZnQCLTBHH7v2f7PP8vkY42zHbY8y
38PEdxeoJUf12RTzg7Ay6Pu7kV7pqxHA1q
1MPYyQiJ16JpfQ1ab2cVEfncNGo5GLU77a
13cWs3fZDcB4x6myLGByZBVhWiMFYX5QD3
1FLhdDdX5b3A8Jt7uTeLmRnRugR8Dd5syT
1ERVh27gZfPSDaaagL9R3W12xpMJ38ZBA7
15v3sXGh6PDpQXcCmVYRf7H2ryRL5EVsu6
18M9o2mXNjNR96yKe7eyY6pfP6Nx4Nso3d
1NKygkkRpjDmboWEXXEsAFDEKheZ2pBVxo
1GhYFmoDgtyJsYFFWhZ2YmeVj2GHsTPTUC
1BM8dkK77yvwGk7ucqoNn8eDTBFy8jXjLQ
The above answer was provided by Dave McClain. It's possible that his moles are affected his brain and developing early signs of Mutrux Decease because he forgot to add the 12uyvDAC8LNU8yGcW8dYLGPToSD2JenVf address. Since we're only talking about a million dollars worth of bitcoins that funneled through that account, I guess we can let it slide as being irrelevant.
It looks like Josh Zerlan moved 537.57286499 BTC yesterday to Bitstamp from the bitcoin wallet address mentioned in Bruno's mega post.
http://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/0096cdb8ad645f3b
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/31cb2fe0ad9027a4d31a7c476daa5f33645f07f2216a989de0b4bde1356d8de6
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/4471e05226f5860e3464c615d60f0ce48f5ee40c794fe260068c45da19846760
http://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/0096cdb8ad645f3b
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/31cb2fe0ad9027a4d31a7c476daa5f33645f07f2216a989de0b4bde1356d8de6
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/4471e05226f5860e3464c615d60f0ce48f5ee40c794fe260068c45da19846760
Bruno, why haven't you brought up the 2600 BTC sent to Bitstamp Dec 6/7 2013? That would have been around $2.5 mil.
a la Bruno's timeline approach...
Bruno sends an email to BFL using his dabitcoinguy gmail address on Feb. 10.
BFL reads Bruno email on Feb. 10.
BFL shares private email with non-office personnel working the docks on Feb. 10.
Non-office personnel creates moniker using Bruno's handle on February 10, 2015, 5:59:05 PM CST.
Non-office personnel at BFL uses his DaBitcoinGuy to fuck with Bruno.
Bruno claims to have proof as to whom DBG is, namely Bruce Peterson on April 16.
Date unknown, a subpoena is forward to Bitcointalk to release all relative information about the user account DaBitcoinGuy to see if it's Bruno fucking with BFL or if it's Bruce Peterson fucking with Bruno.
Date unknown, BFL office personnel are questioned to see who they've shared private information with outside the general office arena.
Wouldn't it be funny if Jody Drake asked to see Bruce's cell phone sometime today, then discover that Bruce is DBG, then he's fired unable to collect unemployment compensation? That'll make this a good day for the Good Guys and the Bad Guys in this ongoing drama.
It looks like Josh Zerlan moved 537.57286499 BTC yesterday to Bitstamp from the bitcoin wallet address mentioned in Bruno's mega post.
http://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/0096cdb8ad645f3b
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/31cb2fe0ad9027a4d31a7c476daa5f33645f07f2216a989de0b4bde1356d8de6
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/4471e05226f5860e3464c615d60f0ce48f5ee40c794fe260068c45da19846760
http://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/0096cdb8ad645f3b
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/31cb2fe0ad9027a4d31a7c476daa5f33645f07f2216a989de0b4bde1356d8de6
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/4471e05226f5860e3464c615d60f0ce48f5ee40c794fe260068c45da19846760
Bruno, why haven't you brought up the 2600 BTC sent to Bitstamp Dec 6/7 2013? That would have been around $2.5 mil.
Not much work to do there Bruce Peterson?
Bruno, I am not this Bruce person and I am at school, not work.
http://www.wingclips.com/system/movie-clips/spartacus/i-am-spartacus/images/spartacus-movie-clip-screenshot-i-am-spartacus_large.jpg
"VenusFlyTrap is not Spartacus. I am Spartacus!"
http://images.sodahead.com/polls/003745695/2213287745_Balance_between_work_and_school_answer_1_xlarge.jpeg
"I am at school, not work."
Bruno, you need to stop referring to yourself in the third person. Your judge/donut guy proves you are doing ban avoidance and now using multiple accounts to dilute your footprint.
Wrong! Thou I could use the same logic and declare that you use two spaces after a period, you have to be Bruce Peterson.
Jody, take a look at Bruce's phone, then fire his ass if we are correct in our assessment that this DBG is Bruce Peterson. It's going to come out anyway once the records are gotten from Bitcointalk.
How is that DBG is the only person on this thread that's on BFL's side?
I can't wait to hear what happened today in court between Bruno and Josh. When does Bruno's ban end, BTW?
It looks like Josh Zerlan moved 537.57286499 BTC yesterday to Bitstamp from the bitcoin wallet address mentioned in Bruno's mega post.
http://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/0096cdb8ad645f3b
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/31cb2fe0ad9027a4d31a7c476daa5f33645f07f2216a989de0b4bde1356d8de6
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/4471e05226f5860e3464c615d60f0ce48f5ee40c794fe260068c45da19846760
http://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/0096cdb8ad645f3b
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/31cb2fe0ad9027a4d31a7c476daa5f33645f07f2216a989de0b4bde1356d8de6
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/4471e05226f5860e3464c615d60f0ce48f5ee40c794fe260068c45da19846760
Bruno, why haven't you brought up the 2600 BTC sent to Bitstamp Dec 6/7 2013? That would have been around $2.5 mil.
a la Bruno's timeline approach...
Bruno sends an email to BFL using his dabitcoinguy gmail address on Feb. 10.
BFL reads Bruno email on Feb. 10.
BFL shares private email with non-office personnel working the docks on Feb. 10.
Non-office personnel creates moniker using Bruno's handle on February 10, 2015, 5:59:05 PM CST.
Non-office personnel at BFL uses his DaBitcoinGuy to fuck with Bruno.
Bruno claims to have proof as to whom DBG is, namely Bruce Peterson on April 16.
Date unknown, a subpoena is forward to Bitcointalk to release all relative information about the user account DaBitcoinGuy to see if it's Bruno fucking with BFL or if it's Bruce Peterson fucking with Bruno.
Date unknown, BFL office personnel are questioned to see who they've shared private information with outside the general office arena.
Wouldn't it be funny if Jody Drake asked to see Bruce's cell phone sometime today, then discover that Bruce is DBG, then he's fired unable to collect unemployment compensation? That'll make this a good day for the Good Guys and the Bad Guys in this ongoing drama.
It looks like Josh Zerlan moved 537.57286499 BTC yesterday to Bitstamp from the bitcoin wallet address mentioned in Bruno's mega post.
http://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/0096cdb8ad645f3b
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/31cb2fe0ad9027a4d31a7c476daa5f33645f07f2216a989de0b4bde1356d8de6
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/4471e05226f5860e3464c615d60f0ce48f5ee40c794fe260068c45da19846760
http://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/0096cdb8ad645f3b
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/31cb2fe0ad9027a4d31a7c476daa5f33645f07f2216a989de0b4bde1356d8de6
http://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/4471e05226f5860e3464c615d60f0ce48f5ee40c794fe260068c45da19846760
Bruno, why haven't you brought up the 2600 BTC sent to Bitstamp Dec 6/7 2013? That would have been around $2.5 mil.
Not much work to do there Bruce Peterson?
Bruno, I am not this Bruce person and I am at school, not work.
http://www.wingclips.com/system/movie-clips/spartacus/i-am-spartacus/images/spartacus-movie-clip-screenshot-i-am-spartacus_large.jpg
"VenusFlyTrap is not Spartacus. I am Spartacus!"
http://images.sodahead.com/polls/003745695/2213287745_Balance_between_work_and_school_answer_1_xlarge.jpeg
"I am at school, not work."
http://ia601803.us.archive.org/33/items/gov.uscourts.ksd.97083/gov.uscourts.ksd.97083.73.1.pdf
IRS: Okay, Mr. DoughnutGuy, is this your first audit?
Mr. DoughnutGuy: Yes, I hope I'm not in too much trouble.
IRS: As long as you kept records, you'll be fine. Now, how many chocolate donuts did you make on July 30, 2012?
Mr. DoughnutGuy: Here's the records for that day. It looks like 514. Sold 498.
IRS: How many apple fritters did you make on my wife's birthday, February 12, 2013?
Mr. DoughnutGuy: Here you go. I made 388 fritters that day. Normally, we do over 500, but the fritter-fritter shipment had yet to arrive.
IRS: Makes sense. And, how many cinnamon rolls did you make on March 12, 2014?
Mr. DoughnutGuy: With or without sugar?
IRS: With.
Mr. DoughnutGuy: 712, as seen here on this report. It's are biggest seller.
IRS: You may go. Everything seems to be in order.
IRS: Okay, BFL, how many miners did you deliver on April 24, 2014?
BFL: You're kidding, right?
IRS: Hey, Joe, come in here. Looks like we got us a good one today.
Joe: No records?
IRS: BINGO!
IRS: So, we're going to try this one more time. How many miners did you deliver on April 24, 2014?
BFL: I give! The answer can be obtained by searching our blog and other online presence.
IRS: That's funny. It was your online presence that caused this audit in the first place.
BFL: Is anybody gonna eat that doughnut? I know a free-range chicken that'll love to have it.
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Plaintiffs argue that BF Labs is being evasive and can answer this interrogatory. But as
mentioned last Friday, BF Labs does not maintain records regarding the amount of products it
manufactured by month. Therefore the information you request does not exist. See answer to
IROG No. 6 where BF Labs states [g]iven the use of the preorder sales model, the vast majority
of FPGA and 65 NM products were ordered by customers prior to manufacture and the daily
focus was on producing at maximum output and shipping as quickly as possible to fulfill the
demand from pre-existing orders. For those same reasons, BF Labs does not maintain data to
identify the number of units shipped to consumers by month and year. BF Labs has provided
Exhibits A and B which provide order dates and status, but cannot produce documents that do
not exist as its obligation is to preserve and produce what exists. We have recently learned that
there is a spreadsheet that exists that contains 81 different customers whose order status was
excluded from Exhibit B for a few different reasons (e.g., pending acceptance of a different
product, attempted to deliver the product but it was returned and BF Labs was unable to contact
the customer, a lawsuit was filed, or demand letter sent). We will supplement IROG No. 5 and
provide this exhibit in both native and pdf format.
mentioned last Friday, BF Labs does not maintain records regarding the amount of products it
manufactured by month. Therefore the information you request does not exist. See answer to
IROG No. 6 where BF Labs states [g]iven the use of the preorder sales model, the vast majority
of FPGA and 65 NM products were ordered by customers prior to manufacture and the daily
focus was on producing at maximum output and shipping as quickly as possible to fulfill the
demand from pre-existing orders. For those same reasons, BF Labs does not maintain data to
identify the number of units shipped to consumers by month and year. BF Labs has provided
Exhibits A and B which provide order dates and status, but cannot produce documents that do
not exist as its obligation is to preserve and produce what exists. We have recently learned that
there is a spreadsheet that exists that contains 81 different customers whose order status was
excluded from Exhibit B for a few different reasons (e.g., pending acceptance of a different
product, attempted to deliver the product but it was returned and BF Labs was unable to contact
the customer, a lawsuit was filed, or demand letter sent). We will supplement IROG No. 5 and
provide this exhibit in both native and pdf format.
IRS: Okay, Mr. DoughnutGuy, is this your first audit?
Mr. DoughnutGuy: Yes, I hope I'm not in too much trouble.
IRS: As long as you kept records, you'll be fine. Now, how many chocolate donuts did you make on July 30, 2012?
Mr. DoughnutGuy: Here's the records for that day. It looks like 514. Sold 498.
IRS: How many apple fritters did you make on my wife's birthday, February 12, 2013?
Mr. DoughnutGuy: Here you go. I made 388 fritters that day. Normally, we do over 500, but the fritter-fritter shipment had yet to arrive.
IRS: Makes sense. And, how many cinnamon rolls did you make on March 12, 2014?
Mr. DoughnutGuy: With or without sugar?
IRS: With.
Mr. DoughnutGuy: 712, as seen here on this report. It's are biggest seller.
IRS: You may go. Everything seems to be in order.
IRS: Okay, BFL, how many miners did you deliver on April 24, 2014?
BFL: You're kidding, right?
IRS: Hey, Joe, come in here. Looks like we got us a good one today.
Joe: No records?
IRS: BINGO!
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BF Labs stands by its objection and answer and acknowledges the parties are unable to
come to any agreement. If a statement was publicly made then Plaintiffs have access to it. BF
Labs will, however, supplement its answer by directing Plaintiffs to blogs that Plaintiffs may be
able to search for comments related to estimated shipping dates. Further, as mentioned in its
answer to Plaintiffs interrogatory, BF Labs considered a multitude of different factors when
making representations about estimated shipping dates. To expect that BF Labs could catalogue
all of them is not realistic and would certainly result in undue burden. For instance, see BF Labs
answer to IROG No. 3 listing the numerous component manufacturers that have provided parts
to BF Labs. There is no way BF Labs has or could catalog every issue it has had with each
manufacturer.
come to any agreement. If a statement was publicly made then Plaintiffs have access to it. BF
Labs will, however, supplement its answer by directing Plaintiffs to blogs that Plaintiffs may be
able to search for comments related to estimated shipping dates. Further, as mentioned in its
answer to Plaintiffs interrogatory, BF Labs considered a multitude of different factors when
making representations about estimated shipping dates. To expect that BF Labs could catalogue
all of them is not realistic and would certainly result in undue burden. For instance, see BF Labs
answer to IROG No. 3 listing the numerous component manufacturers that have provided parts
to BF Labs. There is no way BF Labs has or could catalog every issue it has had with each
manufacturer.
IRS: So, we're going to try this one more time. How many miners did you deliver on April 24, 2014?
BFL: I give! The answer can be obtained by searching our blog and other online presence.
IRS: That's funny. It was your online presence that caused this audit in the first place.
BFL: Is anybody gonna eat that doughnut? I know a free-range chicken that'll love to have it.
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Hello. I'm writing to let you know that due to a subpoena that I received related to a case against BFL, I was forced to release some of your PMs.
In particular, I released all PMs that you sent to or received from the following people, possibly even if you deleted the PM:
Inaba
BFL-Engineer
BFL_Josh
SLok
BFL_Sonny
BFL AM Dave
bcp19
nibbknot
In particular, I released all PMs that you sent to or received from the following people, possibly even if you deleted the PM:
Inaba
BFL-Engineer
BFL_Josh
SLok
BFL_Sonny
BFL AM Dave
bcp19
nibbknot
Who was nibbknot then?
Interesting.
http://ia601803.us.archive.org/33/items/gov.uscourts.ksd.97083/gov.uscourts.ksd.97083.73.1.pdf
http://s17.postimg.org/ahlhnpb33/1pm.jpg
"BTW, when are we going to get those tens of thousands PMs and other info off Bitcointalk from theymos?"
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BF Labs does not maintain records on the information sought by this interrogatory. BF Labs will identify the one bitcoin wallet address at issue. That active wallet address is 18UxwNVLPo7vyRkCgs5wusUfhhbMYhApAu. You should be aware that this same wallet received customer payments in bitcoin.
http://ia601803.us.archive.org/33/items/gov.uscourts.ksd.97083/gov.uscourts.ksd.97083.73.19.pdf
With so much going on and the pressure and all, it's safe to assume that BFL simply forgot about their 12uyvDAC8LNU8yGcW8dYLGPToSD2JenVfH wallet used for the same purpose.
I love the part where BFL keeps repeating that they don't keep records.
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Hello. I'm writing to let you know that due to a subpoena that I received related to a case against BFL, I was forced to release some of your PMs.
In particular, I released all PMs that you sent to or received from the following people, possibly even if you deleted the PM:
Inaba
BFL-Engineer
BFL_Josh
SLok
BFL_Sonny
BFL AM Dave
bcp19
nibbknot
In particular, I released all PMs that you sent to or received from the following people, possibly even if you deleted the PM:
Inaba
BFL-Engineer
BFL_Josh
SLok
BFL_Sonny
BFL AM Dave
bcp19
nibbknot
Who was nibbknot then?
Interesting.
I think Bruno declared that he's nibbknot.
Was it BFL that forced the release of private data because they seem to not want to give up such on their end.
http://ia601803.us.archive.org/33/items/gov.uscourts.ksd.97083/gov.uscourts.ksd.97083.73.19.pdf
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BF Labs is not willing to provide IPs and account names for Defendants employees or agents that were personal in nature. If Plaintiffs can provide some authority suggesting such information is discoverable, BF Labs will entertain this request. BF Labs has provided account names that BF Labs employees and agents have used in BF Labs forums. BF Labs is willing to supplement its answer if employees have made representations in other forums in their capacity as employees. Further, BF Labs objects that this is unduly burdensome and overly broad to compile this information.
http://ia601803.us.archive.org/33/items/gov.uscourts.ksd.97083/gov.uscourts.ksd.97083.73.19.pdf
Well, that tosses AML/KYC and proper IRS filing out the window.
Speaking of AML/KYC...
MtGox doesn't need to do anything because it's regulated by it's customers (i.e. the free market). Just watch how fast they'll fall if they are stupid enough to start operating in bad faith.
They already are operating in bad faith. They are not informing their customers that they do not have the fiat funds to cover withdrawals over a few thousand dollars. There are a number of us at the moment with $10,000+ withdrawals being held indefinitely without any explanation, but if we make smaller withdrawals those go through. In my case, I've had zero problems with withdrawals in the past and I have been a verified member for quite some time. Haven't changed any account information, etc...
For some reason, something about a proverbial goose comes to mind. For those who love cooked goose...
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BF Labs did not maintain records on the date each refund was requested or whether the refund was made in cash or bitcoin. To go back and attempt to create a spreadsheet on the date each refund was requested, for instance, is unrealistic. To the extent it is even possible, it would result in an untold number of hours to try to identify the specific information.
Well, that tosses AML/KYC and proper IRS filing out the window.
Speaking of AML/KYC...
Mt Gox needs to use a third party for AML/KYC rather than do it themselves. There is too much incentive for them to simply claim documents are fake and block account holders because there is no transparency at all .
Its like putting the banks in charge of their own regulations through the SEC which caused the GFC !
Its like putting the banks in charge of their own regulations through the SEC which caused the GFC !
MtGox doesn't need to do anything because it's regulated by it's customers (i.e. the free market). Just watch how fast they'll fall if they are stupid enough to start operating in bad faith.
They already are operating in bad faith. They are not informing their customers that they do not have the fiat funds to cover withdrawals over a few thousand dollars. There are a number of us at the moment with $10,000+ withdrawals being held indefinitely without any explanation, but if we make smaller withdrawals those go through. In my case, I've had zero problems with withdrawals in the past and I have been a verified member for quite some time. Haven't changed any account information, etc...
For some reason, something about a proverbial goose comes to mind. For those who love cooked goose...
Thanks for the post MTGox_Dylan. I think most everyone was already aware of these FAQ points, though. That has never really been the issue, so I'm not sure what is hoped to have been accomplished by making this post, other than as a distracting measure (This would have been perhaps more effective: NSFW).
The real problem here is, as has already been at least partially mentioned:
1. The lack of transparency in the process.
2. The lack of communication.
3. The lies and false promises made by MTGox Support Staff with regards to AML/KYC.
4. Delay after delay, ostensibly under the guise of AML.
5. The just plain ludicrous decisions (Goat as an example). Perhaps transparency would clear these up.
6. The fact that most decisions made by MTGox seem completely arbitrary, and nothing... NOTHING pisses off customers more than arbitrary decision making. When your actions are not predictable in a given situation, you are wrong. Period.
So while this post is nice and all, I'm not sure what you're hoping to accomplish other than to distract from the real issues surrounding MTGox. My situation, that has been on going since April, is still unresolved. I am not the only one in this situation and there are plenty of others in similar situations.
Again, this does not seem to be an AML issue, it seems to be an insolvency issue. MTGox is unable to fund even moderate sized fiat conversions, which leads many of us to believe you guys are basically bankrupt and a disaster waiting to happen. The fact that no one has publicly denied this (not that we'd believe you at this point anyway, given MTGox track record of lies and falsehoods) certainly does not bolster confidence in MTGox at all.
Maybe this is the wrong thread to bring any of this up, but I don't want people to be distracted by this kind of thread from the real issue of MTGox being unable to meet their obligations to even moderate sized customers, especially when you are trying to gain new customers who will end up completely screwed when the Gox house of cards comes crashing down.
The real problem here is, as has already been at least partially mentioned:
1. The lack of transparency in the process.
2. The lack of communication.
3. The lies and false promises made by MTGox Support Staff with regards to AML/KYC.
4. Delay after delay, ostensibly under the guise of AML.
5. The just plain ludicrous decisions (Goat as an example). Perhaps transparency would clear these up.
6. The fact that most decisions made by MTGox seem completely arbitrary, and nothing... NOTHING pisses off customers more than arbitrary decision making. When your actions are not predictable in a given situation, you are wrong. Period.
So while this post is nice and all, I'm not sure what you're hoping to accomplish other than to distract from the real issues surrounding MTGox. My situation, that has been on going since April, is still unresolved. I am not the only one in this situation and there are plenty of others in similar situations.
Again, this does not seem to be an AML issue, it seems to be an insolvency issue. MTGox is unable to fund even moderate sized fiat conversions, which leads many of us to believe you guys are basically bankrupt and a disaster waiting to happen. The fact that no one has publicly denied this (not that we'd believe you at this point anyway, given MTGox track record of lies and falsehoods) certainly does not bolster confidence in MTGox at all.
Maybe this is the wrong thread to bring any of this up, but I don't want people to be distracted by this kind of thread from the real issue of MTGox being unable to meet their obligations to even moderate sized customers, especially when you are trying to gain new customers who will end up completely screwed when the Gox house of cards comes crashing down.
http://ia601803.us.archive.org/33/items/gov.uscourts.ksd.97083/gov.uscourts.ksd.97083.73.19.pdf
At the 48:30 mark during the interview heard at https://letstalkbitcoin.com/e34-bitcoin-and-the-butters/, Stephanie asked Josh about the testing process, and Josh goes into detail about how not only are the units tested on a testnet at their facility, but BFL had to purchase a warehouse and use two data centers to test all the miners they produce, and that doing such was getting complicated.
It's almost safe to assume your post is useless. Do you know who SLok is?
I do! He's BFL's SLokPUppet.
FWIW, I just got back from vacation in South America and am surprised to see that the mods locked the BFL thread in hardware. I'm just now catching up on the latest.
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BF Labs only has mined from its headquarters in Overland Park, Kansas.
At the 48:30 mark during the interview heard at https://letstalkbitcoin.com/e34-bitcoin-and-the-butters/, Stephanie asked Josh about the testing process, and Josh goes into detail about how not only are the units tested on a testnet at their facility, but BFL had to purchase a warehouse and use two data centers to test all the miners they produce, and that doing such was getting complicated.
Interesting. A.D. Douma, A 1% percent owner in Rotterdam, The Netherlands. I'd almost say it's safe to assume that this is SLok.
It's almost safe to assume your post is useless. Do you know who SLok is?
I do! He's BFL's SLokPUppet.
FWIW, I just got back from vacation in South America and am surprised to see that the mods locked the BFL thread in hardware. I'm just now catching up on the latest.