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Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
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BTC4Victory
on 08/09/2014, 18:54:57 UTC
Bitcoin, you are "Go" at throttle up.
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Re: [2014-08-05] Bitcoin Currency Gains in Popularity
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BTC4Victory
on 05/08/2014, 06:25:54 UTC
Well, give NBC5 Chicago props where they're due -- they may not have found Satoshi, but they've managed to track down Andreas Antonopolous's evil twin, "Mike"...  Cheesy
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Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
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BTC4Victory
on 01/03/2014, 18:01:48 UTC
http://pastebin.com/LPm3jBG7


not sure if this has been seen yet

Whomever comes up with this stuff, they've got some imagination. Ill give em that.


look at the second word of everything mark says.

haha. i didn't get it at first when i got to that last line, thinking it meant every other word ("never...it...come...this...here..." huh?)  rather than the second word of each line. but that's pretty clever.

Steganographic Rick-Rolling FTW!!!
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Re: Official End of Mt Gox thread
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BTC4Victory
on 20/02/2014, 17:16:55 UTC
Quoting this article solely because the bolded & italicized sentence was inadvertently awesome.  When all the dust has settled, I think "to Touch the Pink Cow" needs to become a euphemism for having a massively successful business -- with almost literally a license to print money -- that you somehow manage to completely f*ck up and drive into the ground merely because you're a staggeringly incompetent douchebag with your head stuck up your a$$.


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By Takashi Mochizuki and Eleanor Warnock

TOKYO--Just six months ago, Mark Karpelès was sitting on top of the world. Mt. Gox, his Tokyo-based platform that had started as an exchange for Magic trading cards, had in a short time become the world's dominant platform for exchanging the new big thing--bitcoins.

Cut to a snowy February morning in Tokyo, and you find Mr. Karpelès trying to walk past a bitcoin trader holding a sign outside Mt. Gox's offices in the hip Shibuya neighborhood, asking: "MT. GOX--WHERE IS OUR MONEY?"

The trader, Kolin Burges, who had flown in from London, was only one of many customers of the company who have been pressing the trading platform to disclose more about its financial health after it froze customer withdrawals on Feb. 7.

The travails of Mt. Gox illustrate the convulsions of the bitcoin market as the first generation of companies trading the virtual currency face growing technical and security challenges.

Chris Larsen, chief executive of San Francisco-based Ripple Labs Inc., a startup associated with another virtual currency, ripples, likened the convulsions as the bitcoin market expands to the early days of the Internet, when it wasn't clear that the World Wide Web would really catch on.

Then, "it all just seemed like the craziest stuff--who would ever use this?--and now it's absolutely in the fabric of every enterprise on earth," he said.

Mr. Larsen developed Ripple with another bitcoin entrepreneur, Jed McCaleb, the founder of Mt. Gox, who sold it to Mr. Karpelès in 2011. The name Mt. Gox, which came from the Magic card game the company originally dealt in before Mr. McCaleb turned it onto bitcoins, is short for Magic: The Gathering Online Exchange.

Mt. Gox has been wrestling with problems since earlier this year, when it halted withdrawals in dollars.

Also in May, some of Mt. Gox's funds were seized by U.S. regulators, who said the exchange wasn't properly registered in the U.S. Mt. Gox said in a statement last month that it is has been properly registered as a money-services business in the U.S. since the end of June.

After Mt. Gox again abruptly halted customer withdrawals on Feb. 7, it blamed its issues on a glitch in the bitcoin software.

On Feb. 10, Mt. Gox said it had been hit by fraudulent requests for payment by users exploiting a feature in the core protocol known as "transaction malleability."

Initially, many in the bitcoin community argued that Mt. Gox had simply failed to use the correct internal procedures to protect its accounts. The next day, however, a hacking attack crippled other bitcoin-exchange platforms and raised questions about the security of the global network for trading the virtual currency.

Asked why the company hadn't addressed customers' concern sooner, Mr. Karpelès responded in an email interview with The Wall Street Journal on Monday: "I assume you refer to the malleability issue. We sincerely apologize for this incident; however, please understand that we are NOT the developers of Bitcoin." He added, "We are very surprised that anyone could fault MtGox instead of the bitcoin software."

However, he said, "We deeply apologize for any delays in our responses."

After Mr. Karpelès, who was running an IT company in Tokyo, bought Mt. Gox from Mr. McCaleb in 2011, Mt. Gox became the world's biggest bitcoin exchange by volume, with more than 80% of bitcoin trades, according to Bitcoinity.org, a service that tracks rates on various exchanges. During that time, the price of a single bitcoin rose from 92 cents to a peak of more than $1,147 last December, based on figures from CoinDesk, a bitcoin-data provider based in London.

Amid the turmoil surrounding Mt. Gox, CoinDesk removed Mt. Gox from its benchmark bitcoin index early last week. The index, which now includes just Slovenia-based Bitstamp and BTC-e of Bulgaria, stood at $624.63 in New York afternoon trading Monday, while Mt. Gox-traded bitcoin was valued at just $294.20. Its share of bitcoin trades had dropped to 25% on Monday, according to Bitcoinity.org.

But aside from the lower value of its bitcoins, investors are increasingly concerned about the status of their Mt. Gox accounts. The company's halt of bitcoin transfers to outside accounts led investors to speculate on online forums that the company had its bitcoins stolen by hackers or that it was out of cash and would default.

Tomoaki Ushida, who runs an IT consulting firm in Tokyo, has given up hope of recovering the two bitcoins he had in his Mt. Gox account. "I try to convince myself that I paid for a good lesson," he said. "If I ever get them returned, I'm lucky."

In the email interview, Mr. Karpelès responded to questions about the company's solvency or protection for customers' funds by saying that the matter is confidential. However, he said the company had discussed its business model with Japanese authorities "to ensure that we are operating within the law here."

At a weekly meeting Thursday of Mt. Gox investors and other members of Tokyo's small, tightknit bitcoin community at a bar about a 10-minute walk from Mt. Gox's headquarters, some 30 bitcoiners talked about bitcoins and exchanged the currency using cellphone-readable bar codes. Some members reminisced about tipping burlesque dancers in bitcoins at a bar called the Pink Cow in Tokyo's foreigner-rich Roppongi neighborhood that accepts bitcoins for payment.

But the conversation revolved mostly around Mt. Gox and whether the exchange would be able to honor deposits. Organizers had extended an invitation to Mr. Karpelès but said they didn't receive a response.

Ken Shishido, one of the group's organizers who works in the telecom industry, said, "Everyone's question is whether the company still has everyone's bitcoin and cash. That's a very critical thing we need to know."

Mr. Burges, the London investor, was among the bitcoiners Thursday night. The next morning, outside Mt. Gox's offices, he managed to get in a brief confrontation with Mr. Karpelès. "You still have everyone's bitcoin?" Mr. Burges asked while Mr. Karpelès tried to navigate around him holding a Starbucks cup and an umbrella.

In the wider Japanese business community, bitcoins aren't widely used or even well-known. Japanese officials are cautious about making any comments about bitcoins as they wait for the Bank of Japan to finish a study about the virtual currency. Still, some Japan-based lawyers say certain restrictions, especially on exchange platforms, should be considered in order to prevent criminal use of the currency, such as for money-laundering.

"I believe that regulating exchanges would be the best way to address these problems," said So Saito, a lawyer at the Tokyo law firm of Nishimura & Asahi.

Meanwhile, the turmoil at Mt. Gox has even touched the Pink Cow, home to the burlesque dancers, which has switched to another bitcoin payment process called BitPay.

Mt. Gox transactions are "taking an unacceptable length of time right now, so we are taking another route," said owner Traci Consoli. "Hopefully, a more stable system will evolve as it grows." [Suspicious link removed]j.com/article/BT-CO-20140217-704805.html
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Re: why are we going down?
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BTC4Victory
on 23/01/2014, 21:56:01 UTC
Hello , I did not noticed the 'downtrend' because my time was full of mining alt coins.
So why are we going a bit down? Any new fud news I missed? Roll Eyes

We're not going down.

Now that we have confirmed bad news from Jamie Dimon, one of the most reputable and verified sources of bad news for bitcoin, we certainly will be heading down very violently in the not too distant future.  This has been confirmed true.

Proudhon, is there a Chinese language translation of Jamie Dimon's comments?  Until I've seen a link to a reliable source uploaded to the Confirmed Bad News Sources Thread, I think I'm going to have to treat this particular item of bad news as "suspect"/"unconfirmed."  kthx.
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Re: Tired of 1000$
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BTC4Victory
on 27/11/2013, 15:50:26 UTC
LOL.

"Are you not entertained?!  Are you not entertained?!  Is this not why you are here?!?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsqJFIJ5lLs
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Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
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BTC4Victory
on 27/11/2013, 14:52:06 UTC
Boom goes the dynamite.  Grin
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Re: 2013-11-19: Buying a new identity
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BTC4Victory
on 20/11/2013, 15:53:41 UTC
Am I reading this right, or is this really a very trivial application which basically boils down to "you can make use of the fact that the blockchain is a public ledger to link your identity to a BTC address, and then sign messages with your private key to prove going-forward that you are who you say you are?"

And not to knock it, because, true, it certainly be used to do that (but, of course, can also do *so* much more...).  It sort of confirms a suspicion I've had for awhile: obviously (almost by definition) the detractors of Bitcoinl clearly don't understand what it is and what it can do -- but I suspect that there are an awful lot of "supporters" (especially newcomers to the bandwagon) of Bitcoin who also haven't even yet really grasped why it's so revolutionary and what it can really do when its potential is fully realized.

In other words: wow, Economist, if you're impressed by the fact that Bitcoin lets you create a persistent provable online identity by signing messages with your private key, it's *really* gonna bake your noodle when somebody (like, say, Mike Hearn) sits down with you and explains colored coins and smart property and multi-sig transactions and autonomous agents, and...  Grin
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Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
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BTC4Victory
on 20/11/2013, 06:37:25 UTC
That was amazing to watch, that volume! This is one ugly picture Smiley

http://i.imgur.com/QbIGzN0.png

Damn it, thought that was a "new" capture, not 10 mins old! lol

Looks like recovery starts now; unless more whales come out to play.

China still has 3.5m USD of bids until ~$500.
In Communist China, Bitcoiners actually have balls.  Tongue Grin

In Communist China, Bitcoin buys and holds *you*.
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Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
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BTC4Victory
on 19/11/2013, 21:50:22 UTC
I'm thinking about getting into these credit card things, apparently that's where the big crime money is

I hear it's pretty easy to get the private key for those things. No way they catch on

Haha. Yeah, they're kinda like casascius coins, except they've already got the tamper-evident hologram peeled off so anyone and everyone can see the private key...  Grin
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Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
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BTC4Victory
on 19/11/2013, 21:20:17 UTC
Heh. Senator Moran: "Earlier today, I posted on Reddit, asking people what I should know..."

I'd have been *much* more impressed if he'd said "earlier today, I posted on BitcoinTalk..."  Grin
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Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
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BTC4Victory
on 19/11/2013, 21:08:25 UTC
Wow, Merkley's not exactly 100% right on some of the details, but he's clearly been well-briefed by his staff, and I'd say he clearly groks what's going on under the hood a hell of a lot better than anybody I've heard yet outside of the Bitcoin community...
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Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
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BTC4Victory
on 19/11/2013, 21:00:57 UTC
Who did she say was the international body of AML governance/guidance?

FATF = Financial Action Task Force
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Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
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BTC4Victory
on 18/11/2013, 22:27:01 UTC
Who would have imagined, one year ago, that we'd be sitting here in November of 2013 listening to a Senate committee discussion about Satoshi Nakamoto...? Grin
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Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
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BTC4Victory
on 18/11/2013, 22:06:39 UTC
Ponder this: as this hearing wraps up in the next half-hour to hour, the sun is just rising on a brand new trading day in Beijing and Shanghai.

No
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USD$1000!!!!!
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Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
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BTC4Victory
on 18/11/2013, 21:46:02 UTC
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Murck is boooooooring!

Unfortunately it is clear the others have more public speaking confidence and experience. He is doing a good enough job though for someone that is doing hearings ever couple days.


Agreed - he's doing fine. But, still -- really?? John Matonis couldn't be bothered to change his schedule to fly to DC for this???
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Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
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BTC4Victory
on 18/11/2013, 20:57:57 UTC
Lowery (Secret Service guy): by and large, in our investigations, we haven't seen sophisticated organized criminals gravitating toward P2P cryptocurrencies like bitcoin -- they seem to prefer centralized currencies (e.g., e-gold, Liberty Reserve).

Maybe because I was bracing for him to come out with some asshole-ish statement about how bad BTC is, I was really pleasantly surprised at this acknowledgement.
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Re: Chicago Fed Letter
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on 07/11/2013, 00:32:05 UTC
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Although some of the enthusiasm for bitcoin is driven by a distrust of state-issued currency, it is hard to imagine a world where the main currency is based on an extremely complex code understood by only a few and controlled by even fewer, without accountability, arbitration, or recourse.

says the Chicago branch of the Federal Reserve, apparently without any sense of irony whatsoever.   Grin
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Re: Theoretical situation
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BTC4Victory
on 27/09/2013, 00:26:53 UTC
I'm not a programmer, so from my own standpoint I'd need to spend a fair amount of time learning how to code before I could begin to sit down and write the client.

But, I think what's remarkable about what Satoshi did is less about the elegance or quality of the code itself -- rather, it's the intuitive leap he made before he even sat down and starting translating his bold new idea into code.  I think this article/blog post by Forbes contributor Timothy B. Lee back in mid April (just after the crash) really nails the way I feel about it: http://www.forbes.com/sites/timothylee/2013/04/17/why-programmers-are-excited-about-bitcoin/

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Cryptographically secure digital cash isn’t a new idea; it’s a straightforward application of public key cryptography. But until Bitcoin, all digital cash schemes were hobbled by a reliance on an intermediary to handle the double spending problem.

Before 2009, truly decentralized digital cash was in the same intellectual category as public key cryptography was in before 1976. Programmers knew that it was a theoretical possibility, and that it would have revolutionary implications if it could be made to work. But no one had figured out how to build a practical system.

I think this explains a difference I’ve noticed in the way programmers and non-programmers react when they first learn about Bitcoin. Many people in both categories initially greet it with skepticism—certainly I did. But the nature of their skepticism is different. Non-programmers simply don’t see what the fuss is about. They see little difference between Bitcoin and conventional payment systems like PayPal. Programmers, on the other hand, immediately see that Bitcoin would have have revolutionary implications. It just takes time to convince them that Bitcoin lives up to the hype.
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Re: Will The Bitcoin Investment Trust affect the price?
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BTC4Victory
on 26/09/2013, 19:43:16 UTC
OK, I may technically be violating the terms of the NDA language I clicked on when I signed up last night as an accredited investor with Second Market, but so be it.  While a healthy skepticism is entirely appropriate, and I appreciate chodpaba (and cypherdoc) for playing a skeptical role here, this isn't just some "how many angels can dance on the head of pin" type metaphysical question that we can go around and around on and never come to an agreement upon -- it's a factual question as to how the trust has structured itself, and there's a factual answer.

From pp. 7-8 of the Private Placement Memorandum, under the heading "Creation and Redemption":

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The Trust creates and redeems the Shares on a continuous basis, but only upon the order of Authorized Participants and only in Baskets.  A Basket is a block of 100 Shares.  Initially, each Share represents 1/10th of a bitcoin.

The creation and redemption of Baskets requires the deliver to the Trust or the distribution by the Trust of the number of bitcoins represented by the Baskets being created or redeemed.  The number of bitcoins that will be required ("Basket Bitcoin Amount") for each creation basket ("Creation Basket") or redemption basket ("Redemption Basket") will be determined from time to time by dividing the number of bitcoins owned by the Trust at such time by the number of Shares outstanding at such time (calculated to one one-hundred-millionth of one bitcoin) and multiplying the quotient obtained by 100.  the Basket Bitcoin Amount may gradually decrease over time if the Trust's bitcoins are used to pay the Trust's expenses.  See "Bitcoin Investment Trust - Trust Expenses."  Baskets may be created or redeemed only by Authorized Participants.  Authorized Participants may create or redeem Baskets, and may act for their own account or for the account of one or more of their customers in respect of all or part of the Shares comprising a Creation Basket or Redemption Basket.

While this may seem like a convoluted and Rube-Goldberg-esque mechanism to those unfamiliar with the down-in-the-weeds details of how ETFs work, this is exactly the way the SPDR Gold ETF (or, say, the various ETFs which track the Dow 30 or the S&P Index) functions: the amount of bitcoins held by the trust can grow or shrink over time to accomodate demand for the investment vehicle.  But -- unlike an ordinary mutual fund, where shareholders can buy new shares directly from the issuer at any time for USD or cash out their existing shares at any time by selling them back to the issuer at the daily-determined net asset value (NAV) -- in the case of an ETF like SPDR GLD (or, like the BIT Trust will operate, as the Prospectus makes clear), for a run-of-the-mill normal investor my only way to get in and out is not through interactions with the issuer but instead simply by buying or selling the ETF shares on the open market (the Nasdaq or NYSE, in the case of publicly-traded ETFs; on Second Market's proprietary market (limited to accredited investors) in the case of the BIT Trust).

BUT, what ensures that the price of the ETF shares closely tracks the value of the underlying assets held by the Trust, is that specialized "Authorized Participants" have the ability to either create new ETF shares at any time by delivering a "basket" of the underlying asset (Gold, in the case of the Gold Trust, or a specified number of shares of every company in the S&P500 Index, in the case of an S&P500-tracking ETF, or bitcoins, in the case of the BIT Trust) to the ETF itself; or, alternatively, at any time the same Authorized Participants have the right to put a "basket" of shares back to the ETF to have them redeemed out in-kind for the set number of bitcoins per share.  So, if the price of the BIT Trust gets out of line one way or the other with the underlying price of Bitcoins, it's risk-free money for the Authorized Participants to either buy and contribute more bitcoins to the Trust in exchange for new shares that the AP can then sell at a profit (if the ETF is trading "too high" relative to the underlying price of Bitcoins), or can buy up ETF shares at a discount and immediately cash them in for the Bitcoins which it will sell at a profit (if the ETF is trading "too low" relative to the underlying price of Bitcoins) -- it's this built-in arbitrage opportunity which keeps the price of the ETF closely in line with the price of the underlying.

In other words, the BIT Trust is not limited to holding the 17,800 BTC it holds today -- it will likely end up holding a lot more (assuming sufficient investor interest), although in theory it could end up holding less -- and the total amount of BTC it holds will fluctuate over time, but what will stay constant* is the number of BTC held by the trust per number of shares outstanding.  (*Well, constant, except for the slow erosion over time as BTC are sold to pay the rather-steep 2% annual maintenance fee.)