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hey folks .. i know this probably doesnt belong here .. but im hoping our closer community can share some insight for me ... does anyone know / heard anything about the upcoming BTCP fork? theres next to no info in the wild about which exchange will support BTCP drop. Its only 5 days away ...
Agreed, this maths "wizard" is talking total rubbish. I made a pittance here and since heading over to Slush have made loads more. Currently I make 0.001125BTC per day with one S9. I'm not going to bore anyone with math (because to be frank, who gives a darn about it, we are here to make coin not learn algebra), I'll just post a good old fashioned screenshot of earnings on Kano with one S9.
https://ibb.co/ckaXQx
Yes, we are having a shocking month but still, with difficulty ramping up all the time, every day is precious to new miners starting out who can't afford runs of 200-600% blocks.
When you say you started the 18th of january were ramped up by then or is that when you started ramping up?
I started ramping up the same day with 56 TH and since then ive been payed 0.04798770 BTC.
https://ibb.co/c16Thc
Ive done the math and If i was fully ramped up for all four of those blocks i would have made 0.0739933168550874 BTC with 56 TH. Your math doesnt add up at all buddy.
If you say those are actual numbers then post a picture to prove it. Also if they were actual numbers I would be pissed because someone with 35 TH made more than me with 56 TH.
If you think you would of mined more at kano for that time period you are delusioinal.
https://ibb.co/ckaXQx
Yes, we are having a shocking month but still, with difficulty ramping up all the time, every day is precious to new miners starting out who can't afford runs of 200-600% blocks.
I keep seeing all this about pool x, pool y, pool z vs here or maybe I should just say PPS vs here.
So after 35 days I figured it was time for a few real numbers.
I started here on the 18 (night) of January, with what was 15Th as the time, but that quickly doubled to 30 a day or 2 later and has been pretty flat since (just added 22 more, but I'll ignore that at the moment)
The other day when I brought up my 821's, I put them on slush for 2 hrs, just because I wanted to see what the daily CDT was there at my full hashrate. Then I moved them back to here.
So here is the basis to my numbers.
30Th/s for 35 days
Actual numbers from Kano based upon the above.
Let's start with my Kano experience.
I received .0976473 BTC in 35 days
this equals .0027899 per day
or .0000930 CDT
for the same amount of hash at slush, we'll work backwards
.00008703 CDT
.0026109 per day
or .0913815 BTC
You can say what you want and this is just a snapshot of 35 days, but even with the really ugly luck we've had, I've still made more here than the equivalent time at slush (who btw is averaging slightly *better* than 100% luck).
The upside that isn't in the above, if we find a block today, my numbers would go up again to a much larger amount of BTC than slush (e.g. .0045 (would be .007, but I'll factor out the .0027899 CDT) BTC to .002), if we improve on luck, we shatter the slush numbers. If I left today and went somewhere else, I'd still be paid for 5Nd ramp down along with where-ever else I go's take.
I just can't see any downside. Ok, except the fact that you don't have a little graphical ticker that is counting up based upon predicted BTC.... Oh but wait, it simply matches the number above, so what real benefit is it?
EDIT1: with 30Th/s this should work for anyone curious with a 14-15Th/s S9 or anything else because I took all the numbers down to CDT (Coin per Day per TeraHash/s)
So after 35 days I figured it was time for a few real numbers.
I started here on the 18 (night) of January, with what was 15Th as the time, but that quickly doubled to 30 a day or 2 later and has been pretty flat since (just added 22 more, but I'll ignore that at the moment)
The other day when I brought up my 821's, I put them on slush for 2 hrs, just because I wanted to see what the daily CDT was there at my full hashrate. Then I moved them back to here.
So here is the basis to my numbers.
30Th/s for 35 days
Actual numbers from Kano based upon the above.
Let's start with my Kano experience.
I received .0976473 BTC in 35 days
this equals .0027899 per day
or .0000930 CDT
for the same amount of hash at slush, we'll work backwards
.00008703 CDT
.0026109 per day
or .0913815 BTC
You can say what you want and this is just a snapshot of 35 days, but even with the really ugly luck we've had, I've still made more here than the equivalent time at slush (who btw is averaging slightly *better* than 100% luck).
The upside that isn't in the above, if we find a block today, my numbers would go up again to a much larger amount of BTC than slush (e.g. .0045 (would be .007, but I'll factor out the .0027899 CDT) BTC to .002), if we improve on luck, we shatter the slush numbers. If I left today and went somewhere else, I'd still be paid for 5Nd ramp down along with where-ever else I go's take.
I just can't see any downside. Ok, except the fact that you don't have a little graphical ticker that is counting up based upon predicted BTC.... Oh but wait, it simply matches the number above, so what real benefit is it?
EDIT1: with 30Th/s this should work for anyone curious with a 14-15Th/s S9 or anything else because I took all the numbers down to CDT (Coin per Day per TeraHash/s)
When you say you started the 18th of january were ramped up by then or is that when you started ramping up?
I started ramping up the same day with 56 TH and since then ive been payed 0.04798770 BTC.
https://ibb.co/c16Thc
Ive done the math and If i was fully ramped up for all four of those blocks i would have made 0.0739933168550874 BTC with 56 TH. Your math doesnt add up at all buddy.
If you say those are actual numbers then post a picture to prove it. Also if they were actual numbers I would be pissed because someone with 35 TH made more than me with 56 TH.
If you think you would of mined more at kano for that time period you are delusioinal.
FUNNY, I wanted to call bullshit on these numbers too, because I had an average of 60 TH ( was from 68, 80, 53, 52 TH for the last 4 blocks) and All I made was .07935601 So if you were to take my whatever average you want to use, say 60 ( worked out to 63.25) and all I got was the .07935601 30 TH should be about half of that is what I would think.
Re calculate, your fat fingers pressed the wrong button.
I think what you did was you calculated your per TH rate, multiplied it by your TH that you had and assumed that thats what you would of had if fully ramped up. BUT the pool rate went up significatly at the end of Jan and early Feb ( I cant recall exactly what timeframe) so your percentage of total shares would have gone dow, but you had no real way of calculating that due ot the lack of blocks found.
i started ramping on the 18/19th (54TH), and my total payout was 0.04280870 BTC
i have a screenshot, but can't post because im still a newbie .. lol
What I was referring to with Biffa is getting more miners here on this pool and getting more of the network hashrate. Not going out and adding to the hashrate. He (Biffa) is stating that we should go out and "add" to the hasrate and thus add to the increased difficulty. I would rather take from the current total network and transfer a larger percentage over to us. That is why I am asking after he (Kano) said he agreed with Biffa.
The reason why Biffa is correct is that if no one was increasing their hash rate, then the pool falls behind the "Diff Curve"Yes of course adding to the "Diff Curve" ourselves pushes the "Diff Curve" up, but in reality that isn't the case,
since if we don't, then someone else will buy those miners and push the "Diff Curve" up.
There's been no lack of available buyers for available new miners for a long time.
i.e. you haven't been able to slow down the "Diff Curve", by abstaining from buying miners, for a long time.
Indeed getting large miners to move over from somewhere else is the best solution, but once we have some over here, we can't say:
'OK that's it, we don't need to keep up with the "Diff Curve"'
Well, hopefully, it will slow down here. There have been new S9s available from Bitmain for over a week now. We need to tackle this issue and stay on top of it. Glad to have you in charge and we all really appreciate your support here.
yes .. they call it "QA testing" ... lol
not to mention all the "dust" they get. .. cos all their miners are configured to point to their pool by default out of the box. so when a newbie miner plugs it in .. while trying to figure out which pool to point to .. and setting up the accounts ... those couple of hours all add up ...
Re: [45+PH] KanoPool kano.is BEST 0.9% fee PPLNS US,DE,JP,NL,NYA 🐈
My calculations are the same. This pool needs to hit 8 blocks a month for the payout to be more. 1.1% is a big difference if you are making a fixed amount per month but that is not the case. I understand we look back at the history but what history doesnt take into account is the amount of new hashing power that has come online and will continue to drive the difficulty to the moon. We need to promote the crap out of this pool and start now. It is the BEST pool here hands down but we are not going to win anymore miners here until WE step up and make it happen. When it becomes unaffordable for the larger miners to mine here, they will slowly leave too. It is more than just money to some but eventually everyone will have a breaking point for one reason or another. I love this pool and you guys are the best but we need to get off our asses and come up with a solution.
Its not about getting more miners to mine at this pool, what should be happening is you and everyone already on the pool should be buying more hardware to keep up with the difficulty, getting the rest of the pool bigger but staying the same yourself means you will just get smaller and smaller rewards.
Instead of spending time trying to get more miners, spend some money and get more hardware yourself. This isn't something new its something everyone has had to do since mining began.
valid point also - but i would also suggest that with more miners, the probability of cracking more blocks (within the same time period) increases. Therefore the small miners like us, get more run-rate payouts (albeit smaller share, but more frequent) - which then helps us to fund more rigs. It all helps.
Re: [45+PH] KanoPool kano.is BEST 0.9% fee PPLNS US,DE,JP,NL,NYA 🐈
My calculations are the same. This pool needs to hit 8 blocks a month for the payout to be more. 1.1% is a big difference if you are making a fixed amount per month but that is not the case. I understand we look back at the history but what history doesnt take into account is the amount of new hashing power that has come online and will continue to drive the difficulty to the moon. We need to promote the crap out of this pool and start now. It is the BEST pool here hands down but we are not going to win anymore miners here until WE step up and make it happen. When it becomes unaffordable for the larger miners to mine here, they will slowly leave to. It is more than just money to some bit eventually everyone will have a breaking point for one reason or another. I love this pool and you guys are the best but we need to get off our asses and come up with a solution.
100% agree with you
Re: [45+PH] KanoPool kano.is BEST 0.9% fee PPLNS US,DE,JP,NL,NYA 🐈
Im fully ramp up with my S9 now, and my percentage is about 0.03%, and I usually get awarded at 0.0035xxx per block found at Kano.
At normal pool, I get 0.00125 (after fee) minimum per day, so as a month (30 days) I get 0.00125x30=0.0375/month.
So if we found less than 10 blocks/month (depends on luck), I cant get as much as normal pool.
Do I get it right here?
At normal pool, I get 0.00125 (after fee) minimum per day, so as a month (30 days) I get 0.00125x30=0.0375/month.
So if we found less than 10 blocks/month (depends on luck), I cant get as much as normal pool.
Do I get it right here?
yup - thats more or less accurate from my understanding. i was asking similar questions last month when i started mining on Kano, migrating my 4xS9 to this pool.
Its been a tough end of Jan & beginning of Feb ... but i'm hopeful for the future.
btw, theres no such thing as a "normal" pool ... just different hashing/share calc & payout methods.
Unfortunately no one can really answer that but you. Because of the nature of this pool blocks will come less frequently but the payout will be greater. If you have bills to pay and need a fixed amount of bitcoin coming in then another pool might be the best but in the long run you will probably make less. Patience is definitely needed here but I can understand your dilemma.
In the meantime MINE ON!!!! and BTClock Dance!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcWPiHjIExA
I am pretty sure the 0.9% fee over time will not make up for the lost income over the past month even if your here for 5 years+. With the horrible luck and the difficulty changes even if the pool fee was 0% you wouldnt make enough BTC to cover the losses. Anyone who started mining here mid january got fucked. I know this cause thats exactly what i did. Ive since moved all my miners back to slush. From jan 15 to feb 15 i made less than %10 what i mined the month before. The pool seems legit and has alot of support, I want it to succeed, but its too risky for me to run my rigs here with the high variance of payments. I cant afford to pay my power bill now.
this is only valid if you believe that this pool will continue to find 1-2 blocks per month going into the future.
Based on statistics & the history of the pool .... that is likely not the case.
If the pool can crack more than 8 blocks a month, it is likely the payout will be higher than slush & others. Having a 10+ block month will have significantly higher payouts here.
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They say a APW3++ is insufficient for a S9 on 110/120 volt.
... it likes to be on chain 6 with a separate PSU. Will not work with one psu even if fist hash board is still on chain 6.
Any ideas?
So why did it work until now, 2 months actually, and as well as 6 others one of which has been now 3 months. What changed that caused just this one to act different?
i personally think that you were right on the brink ... with your power delivery. There is a reason why they say that the PSU cannot run an S9 at 110/120v. It needs minimum 1350W to run (meaning 12.27A at 110V, not even accounting for the loses on the PSU) ... and you might have been running right at the limit in your garage. Even a slight drop in voltage or amperage in your home socket ... you would drop under that 1350W mark. (i.e. your house socket was bleeding voltage/current to other devices etc).
Bitmain PSUs are not the most well made PSUs ... and known to do weird things when current is not in abundance.. its highly possible that it just wasnt able to deliver the power to your S9.
Re: [45+PH] KanoPool kano.is BEST 0.9% fee PPLNS US,DE,JP,NL,NYA 🐈
Im fully ramp up with my S9 now, and my percentage is about 0.03%, and I usually get awarded at 0.0035xxx per block found at Kano.
At normal pool, I get 0.00125 (after fee) minimum per day, so as a month (30 days) I get 0.00125x30=0.0375/month.
So if we found less than 10 blocks/month (depends on luck), I cant get as much as normal pool.
Do I get it right here?
At normal pool, I get 0.00125 (after fee) minimum per day, so as a month (30 days) I get 0.00125x30=0.0375/month.
So if we found less than 10 blocks/month (depends on luck), I cant get as much as normal pool.
Do I get it right here?
yup - thats more or less accurate from my understanding. i was asking similar questions last month when i started mining on Kano, migrating my 4xS9 to this pool.
Its been a tough end of Jan & beginning of Feb ... but i'm hopeful for the future.
btw, theres no such thing as a "normal" pool ... just different hashing/share calc & payout methods.
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What do you guys think of the antminer r4? Thinking about buying two from usa (im uk) and running them on kano pool
Is it worth the investment?
I know s9 will have a better watt/th ratio but these will be run at home were i have to pay electric
My other miners i run at work were i dont pay
Also do u guys know any reputable company's that stock the r4 and ship uk?
My biggest problem is the import tax
Is it worth the investment?
I know s9 will have a better watt/th ratio but these will be run at home were i have to pay electric
My other miners i run at work were i dont pay
Also do u guys know any reputable company's that stock the r4 and ship uk?
My biggest problem is the import tax
depends on your circuit breaker config at home.
1x S9 draws 12A at 110V or 6.2A at 220V which gives you 13.5TH
1x R4 draws 7.7A at 110V or 3.9A at 220V which gives you 8TH
S9 is the most efficient miner ... so if you have the amperage availability - S9 is the choice. (noise & consumption aside). Especially since S9 prices have stabilized recently.
If you have power outlet limitations from a current perspective, then R4 is feasible. Just note you are sacrificing efficiency & cost, for convenience of fitting in with your home breaker config.
Re: [45+PH] KanoPool kano.is BEST 0.9% fee PPLNS US,DE,JP,NL,NYA 🐈
just a quick poll folks ...
how many of you think we will hit at least 12 blocks a month, in the medium term?
I'd be curious to do a survey of our pool's members on your guesses?
how many of you think we will hit at least 12 blocks a month, in the medium term?
I'd be curious to do a survey of our pool's members on your guesses?
Re: [45+PH] KanoPool kano.is BEST 0.9% fee PPLNS US,DE,JP,NL,NYA 🐈
yup .. ive also involved my 9 yr old son in crypto/BTC. He knows more about it .. than many of my friends.
The doc movie, Banking on Bitcoin - which is avail on netflix was a good way to get him ramped.
The doc movie, Banking on Bitcoin - which is avail on netflix was a good way to get him ramped.
Re: [45+PH] KanoPool kano.is BEST 0.9% fee PPLNS US,DE,JP,NL,NYA 🐈
Doesn't that mean more fees? I can set Slush theshold to as low as 0.001 BTC - that's around 24 hours of mining with an S9.
no big secret ... at antpool. i actually prefer Slush better in terms of return slightly, but the payout threshold at slush is higher. at the current state of security for online wallets, i prefer to withdraw daily, which antpool offers.
yes, if you set slush to lower threshold it charges extra fees. Antpool you can go to 0.002 .. without any additional fees.
Re: [45+PH] KanoPool kano.is BEST 0.9% fee PPLNS US,DE,JP,NL,NYA 🐈
no big secret ... at antpool. i actually prefer Slush better in terms of return slightly, but the payout threshold at slush is higher. at the current state of security for online wallets, i prefer to withdraw daily, which antpool offers.
Re: [50+PH] KanoPool kano.is BEST 0.9% fee PPLNS US,DE,JP,NL,NYA 🐈
Here is what really interests me. Where are these people leaving to mine at? Obviously, they know so much about statistics and luck... Where are they going?
more important than where is why
I understand why. What I am attempting to find out is where. I understand why 100%.
Looks like BTC.com. Its pretty much the largest pool out there. You can literally sit there starring at your dashboard all day and watch your BTC payout go up every minute. Thats where I first started mining. I didnt know anything about any other pools. I setup my miner and by the time I opened my dashboard to check my hashrate. I had already got paid some BTC. I was shocked. I think this is why people have a hard time with waiting between blocks. If they are coming from BTC or a similar pool that pays every couple mins then it makes you feel like thats how its suppose to work. You go through these withdraws from not seeing your BTC payout go up once a minute. Patients is the key here because it pays off in the end. Now I am more knowledgeable about how payouts work and what pools are more about helping BTC grow as a currency instead of greed. I have moved on and am here now. This is where Ill be staying. I want to help BTC grow as much as I want to get paid.
indeed .... ive mined at Slush, Antpool, Bitcoin.com, viaBTC, nicehash .... and I do get a kick seeing the ticker go up consistently over time. It was even satisfying when BTC was in the 15000+ range & prior to the difficulty jump. (i only wish I had joined kano last year instead when kano was on a rampage)
Currently, i've directed most of my hashrate to kano (54TH at kano, 27TH elsewhere to pay the bills) .... I like the crowd here, got a few thrashes at the beginning when asking about what 5nd was ... but thats all good for learning.
I'm still on the fence tho - as i joined at a really bad time, when we had the 600% block. I'm hopeful that this pool is the one I'm going to stay. But i'll be fully comforted when ive personally experienced this pool hitting consistently > 6-8 blocks per month. This is the line where its beneficial for me to be here.... or go back to slush for a lower daily payout.
Re: [50+PH] KanoPool kano.is BEST 0.9% fee PPLNS US,DE,JP,NL,NYA 🐈
and all that makes sense if I only had 1 s9. I have average 90th/s and all i got was 0.00086 for 10 days? Wtf?
edit: does nobody see why I'm pissed? This is literally a waste of time on kano if this is all im going to get. Seriously, wtf. Thats why I am asking because this doesn't seem right. What am i not understanding?
edit: does nobody see why I'm pissed? This is literally a waste of time on kano if this is all im going to get. Seriously, wtf. Thats why I am asking because this doesn't seem right. What am i not understanding?
Why don't you post the screenshot of:
https://kano.is/index.php?k=mpayouts
Mine is:
Block Block UTC Miner Reward N Diff N Range Pool N Avg Your % Your N Diff Your N Avg Your BTC
508425 9/Feb 20:11 12.44363511 14.378T 366hr 33m 46s 46.80PHs 0.23% 32.610G 106.14THs 0.02822319
http://i66.tinypic.com/r2t5rq.png
If you want to, share your shifts and shift graph too
https://kano.is/index.php?k=shifts
https://kano.is/index.php?k=usperf
edit:
https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/tx/85ab0954c11d91526cf5601a0c81f3aa3a383f572a372f1dc737e10b59ba32d0
This does show there is indeed a transaction for to 1GzxYjFNXUZ7SwCkcbPKdTqVcFeWD7fYLv for 0.00858980
So it looks like you pointed 10 miners for 1 day or 1 miner for 10 days to Kano for this address.
Take a look at the payouts page - let us know.
@nazzer ...did you point 8 of your 10xS9s (in your sig) at this pool? 104 TH would make sense for 8x S9s. my 4xS9 payout was spot on half of yours.
Re: [50+PH] KanoPool kano.is BEST 0.9% fee PPLNS US,DE,JP,NL,NYA 🐈
Quick check folks ...
Im fully ramped (N ave 54TH+), for the last block i got 0.0144 BTC for 54TH (4xS9s).
is this amount the 1/5 of 5Nd payout? So i would receive 0.0144 for the next 4 days based on current hashrates? (assuming no additional blocks are found in between)
this is my 2nd month here, so havent seen payouts in action much (other than the little one from the previous block) Thanks.
Im fully ramped (N ave 54TH+), for the last block i got 0.0144 BTC for 54TH (4xS9s).
is this amount the 1/5 of 5Nd payout? So i would receive 0.0144 for the next 4 days based on current hashrates? (assuming no additional blocks are found in between)
this is my 2nd month here, so havent seen payouts in action much (other than the little one from the previous block) Thanks.
The payout on this last block is the only payout you will get.... Until the next block, there is no payout for 4 days after the first one... the 5N doesn't have anything to do with days.
Ok ... so that means based on same difficulty/pool hashrates etc .... 0.0036 BTC reward per block per 13.5TH is an expected value?
looking at the history of the pool... it seems the pool averages 2.5-3.5 PH per block. So if we are looking at steady 54PH (which seems to be number thats been hovering) ... then it would seem the pool can find 15.4 to 21.6 blocks per month?
for an S9, that would be 0.05544 BTC to 0.07776 BTC per month? (based on current diff, hash & luck over the past few months (except current))
or am I off on a tangent?
You're heading down the right path but the numbers are a little low.
Thanks ... was just looking for a layman's interpretation here ... so all good.
Re: [50+PH] KanoPool kano.is BEST 0.9% fee PPLNS US,DE,JP,NL,NYA 🐈
Quick check folks ...
Im fully ramped (N ave 54TH+), for the last block i got 0.0144 BTC for 54TH (4xS9s).
is this amount the 1/5 of 5Nd payout? So i would receive 0.0144 for the next 4 days based on current hashrates? (assuming no additional blocks are found in between)
this is my 2nd month here, so havent seen payouts in action much (other than the little one from the previous block) Thanks.
Im fully ramped (N ave 54TH+), for the last block i got 0.0144 BTC for 54TH (4xS9s).
is this amount the 1/5 of 5Nd payout? So i would receive 0.0144 for the next 4 days based on current hashrates? (assuming no additional blocks are found in between)
this is my 2nd month here, so havent seen payouts in action much (other than the little one from the previous block) Thanks.
The payout on this last block is the only payout you will get.... Until the next block, there is no payout for 4 days after the first one... the 5N doesn't have anything to do with days.
Ok ... so that means based on same difficulty/pool hashrates etc .... 0.0036 BTC reward per block per 13.5TH is an expected value?
looking at the history of the pool... it seems the pool averages 2.5-3.5 PH per block. So if we are looking at steady 54PH (which seems to be number thats been hovering) ... then it would seem the pool can find 15.4 to 21.6 blocks per month?
for an S9, that would be 0.05544 BTC to 0.07776 BTC per month? (based on current diff, hash & luck over the past few months (except current))
or am I off on a tangent?
Re: [50+PH] KanoPool kano.is BEST 0.9% fee PPLNS US,DE,JP,NL,NYA 🐈
Quick check folks ...
Im fully ramped (N ave 54TH+), for the last block i got 0.0144 BTC for 54TH (4xS9s).
is this amount the 1/5 of 5Nd payout? So i would receive 0.0144 for the next 4 days based on current hashrates? (assuming no additional blocks are found in between)
this is my 2nd month here, so havent seen payouts in action much (other than the little one from the previous block) Thanks.
Im fully ramped (N ave 54TH+), for the last block i got 0.0144 BTC for 54TH (4xS9s).
is this amount the 1/5 of 5Nd payout? So i would receive 0.0144 for the next 4 days based on current hashrates? (assuming no additional blocks are found in between)
this is my 2nd month here, so havent seen payouts in action much (other than the little one from the previous block) Thanks.