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Bestinvest
on 22/09/2014, 14:58:15 UTC
Pozdrav svima!

Već duže vreme pratim ovaj sajt, od nedavno sam i član, ali sam tek sada video da ima tema na Srpskom jeziku  Embarrassed

Vidim da ovde diskutujete o raznim stvarima vezanim za bitcoin, od kopanja do kockanja, pa ću vam predstaviti jednu od mogućnosti kako da eventualno uvećate vaš BTC konto.

https://bitcoin-trader.biz/banners/affiliates/5.gif

Pre dva meseca preko prijatelja saznao sam za ovaj sajt i odlučio sam da uložim neki novčić. Sajt se (kako tvrde) bavi arbitražom i cloud mining-om i na kraju radnog dana zaradu dele sa investitorima. Za sada sve funkcioniše kako treba, servis funkcioniše od novembra i isplate su redovne i korisnička podrška je veoma ažurna. Ne želim da vas zavaram na bilo koji način, rizik postoji i razni scenariji propasti/prevare su mogući ali isto tako sa druge strane ne menja se činjenica da je zarada kroz mining i trading ostvariva. Da li se radi o legitimnoj firmi i poslu jedino će vreme pokazati. Generalno se slabo reklamira i po rečima ljudi koji vode ovo, nisu zainteresovani za bilo kakav vid reklamiranja na HYIP forumima i sl., a najavljeno je uskoro i proširenje poslovanja na litecoin trading i minining.

U svakom slučaju, ukoliko se neko odluči da proba, linkovi i baneri su istovremeno i referral linkovi, zahvalan sam ako ih upotrebite, a osnovno pravilo uvek imajte na umu, ne ulažite više od onog što ste spremni da izgubite!

U nastavku evo dodatnih informacija, nisam ih prevodio, verujem da svi baratate engleskim jezikom vrlo dobro, ako nekome treba dodatno pojašnjenje sa zadovoljstvom ću odgovoriti.

Živeli!  Smiley

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Bitcoin Trader (bitcoin-trader.biz) was started in April 2013 to allow investors to earn residual income from either bitcoin trading or mining. Launched privately at first by invitation only, the company is now offering their managed services worldwide.

Investors can purchase shares in both the bitcoin Trading and Mining pools, and fund their account with bitcoin, BTC-e, Perfect Money, EgoPay, PexPay, OKPay or bank wire transfer.

Bitcoin Trading Pool

Bitcoin Trader is utilizing arbitrage situations to generate profits for their Trading Pool. Arbitrage is the practice of taking advantage of the price difference between two or more markets. For bitcoin trading, it means buying bitcoins on one market for immediate resale on another market in order to profit from the price disparity. This results in immediate, principally risk free profit. The price per share in the Trading Pool is $20, share contracts last for 120 days and the maximum number of shares that can be purchased per account is 2500.

Bitcoin Mining Pool

Bitcoin Trader offers a cost effective way to participate in their Mining Pool by purchasing mining shares. You are leasing a set amount of hashing power for each share for a 12-month period.

After this period, your shares expire and need to be renewed, if you would like to continue mining using their services. You can buy additional shares at any time, up to a maximum of 500 shares. The minimum investment in the Mining Pool is $100 for one share.

Currently Bitcoin Trader owns mining equipment with processing power of 10 Th/sec, enough to sell roughly 1700 shares. More mining equipment is on order and will be added in the near future.

Income Opportunities

You can buy shares in the Trading Pool for as little as $20, and for the Mining Pool the minimum investment is $100. Multiple ways to both fund your account and withdraw earnings are provided.

This chart from Bitcoin-Trader.biz summarizes recent performance of both the Trading and Mining Pools:

https://axablends.com/merchants-accepting-bitcoin/btcapril.png
https://axablends.com/merchants-accepting-bitcoin/btcapril2.png

Can These Returns Be Sustained Long Term?

In my experience with arbitrage across bitcoin exchanges, profits of 1% per day are reasonable. In this unregulated market, managed arbitrage is a lot less risky than playing with exchange rate volatility by trading on your own. Also, bitcoin mining by buying Mining Pool shares at Bitcoin Trader is more cost effective than other options like cex.io shares or getting on a waiting list to buy your own bitcoin miner. When you invest in Mining Pool shares at Bitcoin Trader you start earning returns immediately.

For anyone who wants to see sustainable returns over a long period of time, Bitcoin Trader might be for you.

Do I receive my initial share purchase amount back after the end of the term?

That depends on your chosen pool:

Trading Pool: Your share purchase amount will be returned after the 120 calendar day term.

Mining Pool: Your share purchase amount is factored into the daily earnings and will not be returned after the 365 calendar day term.

Security

Communication between the Bitcoin Trader server and your computer are SSL encrypted by Comodo, and the server is protected against DDoS attacks by CloudFlare, one of the global leaders in their field.

Summary

Bitcoin Trader offers bitcoin enthusiasts a convenient way to earn income from either managed bitcoin trading or mining, with no investment in hardware.

If the Trading Pool shares continue to be as profitable as in the past few months, with a return of 1% per day, there could be a potential return of about 100% on shares bought in only four months and your principal is returned. With the mining pool also returning 1% a day at the end of a year you have doubled your investment also. Of course we will have to wait and see if future returns continue as in the past months.

For more details or to open an account please visit Bitcoin-Trader.biz.

Pozdrav ljubiteljima kripotvaluta, nisam bio aktivan na forumu jedno vreme, vidim da je tema zaživela po broju stranica i veoma mi je drago zbog toga. Hteo sam još jednom da osvežim post koji sam postavio pre par meseci, želim da vam saopštim da ovaj servis i dalje funkcioniše i isplate su redovne. Trenutno su prosečne dnevne zarade oko 0,80% što i dalje nije malo u poređenju sa bankama.

Ukoliko neko ima dodatnih pitanja, tu sam!  Smiley
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Re: bitcoin-trader.biz
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Bestinvest
on 06/06/2014, 08:53:24 UTC
anyone actually finished the 120 day cycle and got the original investment back ?

Any input will be highly appriciated

Yes, couple of them already announced completion of 120 days cycle, everything went without problems. You can check it on https://www.facebook.com/groups/629441250471567/ 




https://bitcoin-trader.biz/?ref=Duhsasekirom
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Re: bitcoin-trader.biz
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Bestinvest
on 11/05/2014, 08:06:47 UTC
If you order your shares over my referrer I offer you 2,5% of your investment back instantly.

First post here! I´ll give it a try, should I pm U with the amount I placed at bitcoin-trader.biz?

I have a better offer! I'll give you whole 5% commission back from your first deposit.


PM for details  Wink
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Re: btc-arbs.com - Update: Withdrawal problems - DO NOT DEPOSITS - 100% HYIP
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Bestinvest
on 11/05/2014, 07:59:18 UTC
I also got my BTC back. It was minimal investment, so no big deal about it, but it also took several support tickets with already seen answers. I sent them proposal to give me back my principal and to keep the change for themselves, however they have sent me back all of it.

Last reply was: Sent.

I guess there are still new investors that are not present on these forums...
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Re: Српски (Serbian)
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Bestinvest
on 07/05/2014, 08:20:25 UTC
pomalo procenti klize prema dole

no, mjesečnih 15% se neda nigdje dobiti

zanimljivo


Što se tiče mining pool-a, od februara kada je cena bitcoina nastavila sa padom a težina kopanja se konstatno povećavala, procenat dnevne zarade je sve manji i manji. Prema rečima ljudi koji vode BT čak ni to nije realno, ali pošto je sva oprema otplaćena u prethodnim mesecima, mogu da priušte ovakvu podelu. U svakom slučaju sa obzirom da se kod mining pool-a uložena sredstva ne vraćaju, od februara retko ko se odlučuje za taj pool. Ovo će se verovatno promeniti kada cena BTC eventualno skoči i kada im stignu scrypt ASIC mašine koje su preorder-ovali za LTC.

Kod trading pool-a priča je drugačija tu je u aprilu bio malo manji % zbog neradnih dana tokom uskrsa. Ali i pored toga, april je završen iznad 20%, što je po meni sasvim dovoljno  Grin
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Re: Српски (Serbian)
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Bestinvest
on 06/05/2014, 15:14:11 UTC
Pozdrav svima!

Već duže vreme pratim ovaj sajt, od nedavno sam i član, ali sam tek sada video da ima tema na Srpskom jeziku  Embarrassed

Vidim da ovde diskutujete o raznim stvarima vezanim za bitcoin, od kopanja do kockanja, pa ću vam predstaviti jednu od mogućnosti kako da eventualno uvećate vaš BTC konto.

https://bitcoin-trader.biz/banners/affiliates/5.gif

Pre dva meseca preko prijatelja saznao sam za ovaj sajt i odlučio sam da uložim neki novčić. Sajt se (kako tvrde) bavi arbitražom i cloud mining-om i na kraju radnog dana zaradu dele sa investitorima. Za sada sve funkcioniše kako treba, servis funkcioniše od novembra i isplate su redovne i korisnička podrška je veoma ažurna. Ne želim da vas zavaram na bilo koji način, rizik postoji i razni scenariji propasti/prevare su mogući ali isto tako sa druge strane ne menja se činjenica da je zarada kroz mining i trading ostvariva. Da li se radi o legitimnoj firmi i poslu jedino će vreme pokazati. Generalno se slabo reklamira i po rečima ljudi koji vode ovo, nisu zainteresovani za bilo kakav vid reklamiranja na HYIP forumima i sl., a najavljeno je uskoro i proširenje poslovanja na litecoin trading i minining.

U svakom slučaju, ukoliko se neko odluči da proba, linkovi i baneri su istovremeno i referral linkovi, zahvalan sam ako ih upotrebite, a osnovno pravilo uvek imajte na umu, ne ulažite više od onog što ste spremni da izgubite!

U nastavku evo dodatnih informacija, nisam ih prevodio, verujem da svi baratate engleskim jezikom vrlo dobro, ako nekome treba dodatno pojašnjenje sa zadovoljstvom ću odgovoriti.

Živeli!  Smiley

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Bitcoin Trader (bitcoin-trader.biz) was started in April 2013 to allow investors to earn residual income from either bitcoin trading or mining. Launched privately at first by invitation only, the company is now offering their managed services worldwide.

Investors can purchase shares in both the bitcoin Trading and Mining pools, and fund their account with bitcoin, BTC-e, Perfect Money, EgoPay, PexPay, OKPay or bank wire transfer.

Bitcoin Trading Pool

Bitcoin Trader is utilizing arbitrage situations to generate profits for their Trading Pool. Arbitrage is the practice of taking advantage of the price difference between two or more markets. For bitcoin trading, it means buying bitcoins on one market for immediate resale on another market in order to profit from the price disparity. This results in immediate, principally risk free profit. The price per share in the Trading Pool is $20, share contracts last for 120 days and the maximum number of shares that can be purchased per account is 2500.

Bitcoin Mining Pool

Bitcoin Trader offers a cost effective way to participate in their Mining Pool by purchasing mining shares. You are leasing a set amount of hashing power for each share for a 12-month period.

After this period, your shares expire and need to be renewed, if you would like to continue mining using their services. You can buy additional shares at any time, up to a maximum of 500 shares. The minimum investment in the Mining Pool is $100 for one share.

Currently Bitcoin Trader owns mining equipment with processing power of 10 Th/sec, enough to sell roughly 1700 shares. More mining equipment is on order and will be added in the near future.

Income Opportunities

You can buy shares in the Trading Pool for as little as $20, and for the Mining Pool the minimum investment is $100. Multiple ways to both fund your account and withdraw earnings are provided.

This chart from Bitcoin-Trader.biz summarizes recent performance of both the Trading and Mining Pools:

https://axablends.com/merchants-accepting-bitcoin/btcapril.png
https://axablends.com/merchants-accepting-bitcoin/btcapril2.png

Can These Returns Be Sustained Long Term?

In my experience with arbitrage across bitcoin exchanges, profits of 1% per day are reasonable. In this unregulated market, managed arbitrage is a lot less risky than playing with exchange rate volatility by trading on your own. Also, bitcoin mining by buying Mining Pool shares at Bitcoin Trader is more cost effective than other options like cex.io shares or getting on a waiting list to buy your own bitcoin miner. When you invest in Mining Pool shares at Bitcoin Trader you start earning returns immediately.

For anyone who wants to see sustainable returns over a long period of time, Bitcoin Trader might be for you.

Do I receive my initial share purchase amount back after the end of the term?

That depends on your chosen pool:

Trading Pool: Your share purchase amount will be returned after the 120 calendar day term.

Mining Pool: Your share purchase amount is factored into the daily earnings and will not be returned after the 365 calendar day term.

Security

Communication between the Bitcoin Trader server and your computer are SSL encrypted by Comodo, and the server is protected against DDoS attacks by CloudFlare, one of the global leaders in their field.

Summary

Bitcoin Trader offers bitcoin enthusiasts a convenient way to earn income from either managed bitcoin trading or mining, with no investment in hardware.

If the Trading Pool shares continue to be as profitable as in the past few months, with a return of 1% per day, there could be a potential return of about 100% on shares bought in only four months and your principal is returned. With the mining pool also returning 1% a day at the end of a year you have doubled your investment also. Of course we will have to wait and see if future returns continue as in the past months.

For more details or to open an account please visit Bitcoin-Trader.biz.
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Re: bitcoin-trader.biz
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Bestinvest
on 01/05/2014, 11:12:40 UTC
You miss the fact that their commission is paid one time for the period of 120 days, they lock your deposits for this period. So they pay 5% and use you money to trade 80 days (let us assume there are 80 working days in this 120 days period). Let us also assume they keep 0.2% in profits from the sum you invested, the rest of profits is being paid to other investors. Over these 80 days they make 16% and pay 5% in commission. Over larger amounts, this is a lot of money.

Also, do not consider arbitrage as only BTC-BTC trading process. There is BTC to fiat, alt coins to BTC, alt coins to alt coins. Lots of different exchanges and lots of opportunities. All I am saying that this is possible IMO.


Ok so let me try to follow you. I am referred by an affiliate and I decide to invest $100. The affiliate gets $5 upfront for the referral (5% x the value of each purchased Residual Income Share). Let us suppose the affiliate decides to withdraw that $5 commission. This would mean that Bitcoin trader now has $95 dollars with which to trade even though my account still shows a credit against it of $100. Over an 120 days period or 80 trading days they make a 16% return on $95, so $15.2 ($95 x 16%). So then out of this $15.2 trading profit they plug the hole $5 hole so to speak leaving $10.2 residual which is given back to you as profit on your initial investment of $100. Or am I still missing the point entirely?? 

Calculation that crazyivan did assumes that they only take 0.2% for themselves per day which ends on 15.2$ after 120 days as you calculated it. So that means their earnings are 15.2$ on your 100$ shares. 5$ goes to back to you, but you don't actually see that because your account shows 100$ all the time, and 10,2$ is left for them. Your earnings equals 100$ multiplied by cumulative % for those 120 days.

In other words, regarding those 5% affiliate earnings, imagine they give it to affiliates from their own pocket and than take it back from their earnings.
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Re: btc-arbs.com - Daily ROI (0.01-10%) Update: withdrawal problems
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Bestinvest
on 29/04/2014, 11:21:54 UTC
well, there are accounts with 0.12 btc but also accounts with 60 btc....I wonder where are the big guys with amounts over 100 btc...that actually should had some drinks in Switzerland on a monthly basis Smiley..still, 15k btc sounds huge for this site, but not impossible.

I wonder if the new owners will stick to Geneva party practice  Grin
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Re: btc-arbs.com - Daily ROI (0.01-10%) Update: withdrawal problems
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Bestinvest
on 29/04/2014, 10:33:27 UTC
That is what I do not understand, people have received about 3% of their deposits so far. 3% on that HUGE amount of accounts is a lot of money, I can bet they ve had around 15k BTC in their possession, 3% of that is 450 BTC or about $200k. Why would you return $200k to people who have already been scammed??? This story about them getting new deposits does not hold water. We all complain and tell people NOT to invest anything even though we get these crumbs so I do not see correlation between new deposits and these withdrawals.

There is something else behind this.  

I don't think they got that much BTC from investors. 1.5k maybe, but even that sounds too much for me...
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Re: btc-arbs.com - Daily ROI (0.01-10%) Update: withdrawal problems
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Bestinvest
on 29/04/2014, 09:46:58 UTC
I think they will return some of small legacy balances to fool others and attract new investors (or stupid old ones).

That's why I asked him about the balance. Screenshot would be nice too...
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Re: btc-arbs.com - Daily ROI (0.01-10%) Update: withdrawal problems
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Bestinvest
on 29/04/2014, 09:30:00 UTC
I received this message today

"You have been selected to have your entire legacy fund transferred out immediately. Send your Bitcoin address here and we will process your full legacy fund withdrawal within 48 hours.

Ron James - Global Capital Alliance"

Anyone else?
I have provided my address and will let you know what happens.

What was your account balance, if it's not a secret?
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Re: bitcoin-trader.biz
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Bestinvest
on 28/04/2014, 22:07:34 UTC
If anyone was wondering, today's trading result is 0,62%.
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Re: btc-arbs.com - Daily ROI (0.01-10%) Update: withdrawal problem
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Bestinvest
on 25/04/2014, 13:15:35 UTC
Anyone try phoning +86 137 7194 2323?
It's the number on their FB page... International numbers are blocked on my contract Sad

Chinese; the number is not in service.

Surprised ? Not me..

I don't think it's their official fb page, it looks more like a guy named Mehdi Pazhoohesh (mehdi343) is trying to make it looks like official fb page using absence of official btc-arbs fb account, but every link over there is his personal referral link...

They/he even advertise some new HYIP on the page (Oil rig...) not related to btc-arbs (at least at the first look)
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Re: btc-arbs.com - Daily ROI (0.01-10%) Update: withdrawal problem
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Bestinvest
on 25/04/2014, 09:24:33 UTC
The sad thing is, they could have made plenty of money through arbitrage, shared it fairly, and not needed to scam. They probably would have earned far more in the long run. And, if they had been running this honestly, they could withstand a run, as they claim our money was always there on exchanges. They would have had a smaller balance to work with. I think it is apparent the money is not there. Maybe they are paying us back as they earn it, maybe they are just stringing us along while bringing in new suckers. Only time will tell.

Meanwhile, I suspect we are talking 10s of thousands of dollars at a minimum are at stake. Anyone consider chipping in for some investigation and legal action? I'm pissed enough, I would much rather piss away the coin on lawyers and investigators than see them make a dime off of us.
I'd be keen to help out with any investigation.

Does anyone know much about forensic blockchain research? Just wondering what ability we have to try and track transfers for any clues. We could build up a collection of TXID's

Here's the whois on the domain
http://whois.domaintools.com/btc-arbs.net

..mentioned here:
http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/1zar2k/xpost_from_rbitcoin_btcarbsnet_is_a_scam_but/


https://blockchain.info/address/19aS3aRQ467JbFoAFCRaNwmMKKhDNTbAwV

...Maybe this can help you. Someone in the previous posts tracked his transactions and found this address with accumulated funds. Perhaps, others can find their investments leads to this address too...
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Re: btc-arbs.com - Daily ROI (0.01-10%) Update: withdrawal problem
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Bestinvest
on 24/04/2014, 13:45:55 UTC
Just people do some research, read about the service you're intending to invest your money.
AND NEVER EVER risk what you cant afford to lose.

If I had read about btc arbs before I've actually invested, I probably stayed away.

I agree with you, in any case people should not risk what they can't afford to lose.


https://bitcoin-trader.biz/?ref=Duhsasekirom

We get it, you want referrals. But please go advertise somewhere else.

It's not the point in advertisement, don't get me wrong, you all have your btc-arbs links also in your posts/signatures and I don't see any problem with it, but the point was to show there might be alternative to those who want it.

Regarding btc-arbs, I also put some minimum BTC in (0,05) so I'm in the same situation as most of you here, my intention was to share my experience so far.

all but me..please don't put me in the same bucket...lol...plus..0.05 is something really small comparing even with 0.5 btc Smiley..there are people with 3-5-10 or even more BTCs sent there...no offence for you Smiley, please don't take it personally and many thanks for sharing your experience...it's still your amount no matter the value

True, 0.05 is almost nothing, that's why I didn't mention it before, but with 2% average daily interest (as it was in February), after a year it could have been something!  Grin

Edit: It was my test amount but it seems it ended on that...
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Re: btc-arbs.com - Daily ROI (0.01-10%) Update: withdrawal problem
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Bestinvest
on 24/04/2014, 13:16:42 UTC
Just people do some research, read about the service you're intending to invest your money.
AND NEVER EVER risk what you cant afford to lose.

If I had read about btc arbs before I've actually invested, I probably stayed away.

I agree with you, in any case people should not risk what they can't afford to lose.


https://bitcoin-trader.biz/?ref=Duhsasekirom

We get it, you want referrals. But please go advertise somewhere else.

It's not the point in advertisement, don't get me wrong, you all have your btc-arbs links also in your posts/signatures and I don't see any problem with it, but the point was to show there might be alternative to those who want it.

Regarding btc-arbs, I also put some minimum BTC in (0,05) so I'm in the same situation as most of you here, my intention was to share my experience so far.
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Re: btc-arbs.com - Daily ROI (0.01-10%) Update: withdrawal problem
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Bestinvest
on 24/04/2014, 12:55:40 UTC
Just people do some research, read about the service you're intending to invest your money.
AND NEVER EVER risk what you cant afford to lose.

If I had read about btc arbs before I've actually invested, I probably stayed away.

I agree with you, in any case people should not risk what they can't afford to lose.


https://bitcoin-trader.biz/?ref=Duhsasekirom
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Re: btc-arbs.com - Daily ROI (0.01-10%) Update: withdrawal problem
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Bestinvest
on 24/04/2014, 12:31:01 UTC
I understand that everyone here is really pissed because of the current situation, but if someone still wants to invest some BTC in trading I suggest bitcoin-trader, as I wrote several pages before, there were no issues regarding deposits/earnings/withdrawal since the moment they started their work back in November. Support team is very fast in replies also.

If anyone decide to give it a try, I appreciate if you use my referral link: https://bitcoin-trader.biz/?ref=Duhsasekirom  Grin

Cheers!
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Re: btc-arbs.com - Daily ROI (0.01-10%) Update: Unauthorized withdrawal issues
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Bestinvest
on 19/04/2014, 20:29:41 UTC
Just wonder anyone has successed withdrawal after the site came back on?

Yes, after it came back I withdrew everything. Received it within a few hours.

I have now moved the monies to bitcointrader which seems more reliable. If you would like to try it you can use this link to help a bro out: https://bitcoin-trader.biz/?ref=Avalaxy

i don't really like bitcoin-trader nearly as much though because they only work 5 days a week, do not compound interest, do not allow to withdraw for 120 days and most importantly: your investment is in dollars. So you will not profit when the bitcoin price increases.

... You will also not lose if the price fall...  Wink

https://bitcoin-trader.biz/?ref=Duhsasekirom
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Re: bitcoin-trader.biz
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Bestinvest
on 18/04/2014, 20:44:58 UTC
Thanks for your answers! I'll give it a try with 20 or 40$ then, to gain
some confidence in first place..
I can offer you honest advices and support as BT representative if that is enough for you.
Sure sure, it is enough Smiley So you are an official representative of this company? How come you have a ref link then? That sounds a bit strange to me Cheesy

All BT reps also have their ref links as all other members, only difference is there are a bit more obligations and benefits. "Official" is maybe too strong word for this, here is description it might clarify reps role:

"Our local representative network is designed to increase our global presence, by establishing points of contact in as many markets as possible in order to assist our clients in their native languages"

https://bitcoin-trader.biz/?ref= [ref removed]