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OG was not removed as treasurer.. OG is still a forum treasurer..
theymos just changed the way the treasury works..
It is a super armature mistake getting your account phished..
OG shouldn’t have had to explain that elementary security precaution any more than he should have to explain to you to double check your sending address..
Deals with only messages from accounts are the norm.. Most know you keep their account secure, especially if they are relying on it for such deals..
You could have chosen many different ways of using an escrow.. You chose basic..
You could also have had OG receive the miner and then ship it to you, to make sure a miner existed.. Many do this with physical coins..
This is 99% your fault..
I’ve been scammed in crypto 2 times.. Both were my fault..
Once when I was very very new to crypto for like a $20 gift card..
The other time for one of those pet buying scams because my GF wanted a specific car, and I was drinking and playing cards and didn’t think twice and just paid for it..
Actually I was really really an idiot and ASKED if they would take BTC because I didn’t have Venmo..
Think it was like $450.. I was a total idiot..
This sucks.. I know..
I really don’t think you should be blaming OG for it though..
Actually I’m pretty sure OG is quite suspicious here that this is a setup to scam or try to defame HIM..
Look at it from his point of view too..
theymos just changed the way the treasury works..
It is a super armature mistake getting your account phished..
OG shouldn’t have had to explain that elementary security precaution any more than he should have to explain to you to double check your sending address..
Deals with only messages from accounts are the norm.. Most know you keep their account secure, especially if they are relying on it for such deals..
You could have chosen many different ways of using an escrow.. You chose basic..
You could also have had OG receive the miner and then ship it to you, to make sure a miner existed.. Many do this with physical coins..
This is 99% your fault..
I’ve been scammed in crypto 2 times.. Both were my fault..
Once when I was very very new to crypto for like a $20 gift card..
The other time for one of those pet buying scams because my GF wanted a specific car, and I was drinking and playing cards and didn’t think twice and just paid for it..
Actually I was really really an idiot and ASKED if they would take BTC because I didn’t have Venmo..
Think it was like $450.. I was a total idiot..
This sucks.. I know..
I really don’t think you should be blaming OG for it though..
Actually I’m pretty sure OG is quite suspicious here that this is a setup to scam or try to defame HIM..
Look at it from his point of view too..
Okay, well regardless, he doesn't need Og's to hold treasury funds anymore. I do wonder why that is the case.
You mean "amateur". Okay, if that is the attitude you have then the crypto space will forever lose users over easily avoidable things. It would have taken him all of 30 seconds to send me a quick DM. You acting like that is such a big deal is exactly what the problem is. Sure, Og and his "policies" don't say that he has to do that, but it does not mean he SHOULDN'T do it.
I did not know that Og was even willing to accept the shipment, as it would force him to reveal his receiving address to the sellers. Agree, this would have been a GOOD THING TO KNOW! (Another recommendation he should have made to me to protect the security of the deal).
And yes, I agree, it is 99% my fault, but the fact Og won't even take blame to that remaining 1%, and admit that in the future he should make sure newbie users who are doing big escrow transactions use a little extra security in their deal, or at least RECOMMEND it to them. That's still, one of the primary points I am upset about. His responses to me and complete dodge of all blame is another thing that makes one wonder how deep the rabbit hole goes.
Sure, I can understand that he maybe sees this as a ploy to defame him... but my God anyone who would do that has to be pretty fkn bored. Because obviously it doesn't do any good. You all just defend him blindly without even considering the fact that he could maybe be doing more to keep this a safe and legitimate place to transact. Because as it is right now, unless you are an expert crypto -> real world item trader... and use escrow a lot... you wouldn't even know of the potential pitfalls. You wouldn't even know to use signed messages. You wouldn't even know to ask if the item could be shipped to the escrow agent. These are all things he should have like a copy/paste message he sends to every person who comes to him for escrow.
Something. Anything. The fact he's been doing it this long, let umpteen number of scams happen (NONE OF THEM HIS FAULT, SURELY)... without him so much as giving me even one word of advice during the process... Is troubling.
I had someone try and phish me a short while ago so you were probably targeted too during the same time or maybe earlier. These people will usually send the links to a lot of people and whoever falls for it falls for it.
Was it from the same account? Not that it matters, just curious... Burky155?
Yes... I know... and I agree... but I also was the n00b here who hired an expert who I was hoping would offer such advice and keep the deal secure. Especially considering the amount... Isn't that something a escrow provider should at least show some effort in trying to do? If the escrowers did that, it would make this place much less of a hot bed for scammers.
He could have, yes. But there is another side to that story. People are generally lazy to take the longer and safer route. If OgNasty required from the two parties to sign bitcoin messages as confirmation or doing any extra work besides PM exchanges, he might lose clients because of that. If a client is lazy to do what he says, he will just find a different escrow agent that doesn't require all that extra work. That's just the way it is. Sure, Agree, but that doesn't mean I am asking that he REQUIRES these things. Just a simple message "Hey I see you are new... I would recommend a few additional security steps if you want your deal to be truly secure. You can go forward how you have it setup currently, but it is not 100% secure the way it is being done. I just wanted to let you know that."
I don't see any of this being the escrow's fault unless the deal was that OgNasty has to see the tracking ID personally and verify that the goods have been shipped to the correct destination. Was that the case here? If you and OgNasty didn't agree for him to verify the tracking ID, it's not his responsibility to do that.
You could have made this deal safer yourself. Some people already mentioned how.
Since you have two accounts on Bitcointalk, the deal could also have included that confirmation to release funds needs to come from both accounts. Or the forum account + any other type of confirmation like Telegram, social media, Skype, etc.
You could have made this deal safer yourself. Some people already mentioned how.
Since you have two accounts on Bitcointalk, the deal could also have included that confirmation to release funds needs to come from both accounts. Or the forum account + any other type of confirmation like Telegram, social media, Skype, etc.
Yes... I know... and I agree... but I also was the n00b here who hired an expert who I was hoping would offer such advice and keep the deal secure. Especially considering the amount... Isn't that something a escrow provider should at least show some effort in trying to do? If the escrowers did that, it would make this place much less of a hot bed for scammers.
Or, and I am just putting it out there you account password was hacked / found out a while ago. Until you went to do a deal it was not worth doing anything with.
Kind of like when malware is dropped on a computer and the threat actor pokes around a bit finds nothing and leaves. Weeks / months later comes back in and finds a bitcoin wallet or a list of banking usernames and passwords or whatever. The user is going nuts trying to figure out what happened, what they did yesterday / last week / last month. But, in realty it's been lurking since last year.
-Dave
Kind of like when malware is dropped on a computer and the threat actor pokes around a bit finds nothing and leaves. Weeks / months later comes back in and finds a bitcoin wallet or a list of banking usernames and passwords or whatever. The user is going nuts trying to figure out what happened, what they did yesterday / last week / last month. But, in realty it's been lurking since last year.
-Dave
What are the odds that the guy with access to my account was also the seller? Because that is where they had the funds release to... If it was another person I would of expected they try to cancel the deal and change the refund address.. or change the shipping address for the miner.
This does sound like it could be the case, and if/when I get back into the scott2k account then I hopefully will be able to discover that once and for all... and of course if it is the case then I will apologize to Og for publicly insinuating that he is possibly involved in the scam (as I did a few times here, but the posts may have gotten deleted).
I am still rather upset that he as the expert professional who I paid and hired for the job... didn't provide me any sort of advice or do anything to make it even remotely difficult for the scammer to accomplish this. That is what bothers me. It shows a complete lack of caring or desire to actually do a good job. Especially with a large sum of money like that. Just willy nilly'd it away.
I am still rather upset that he as the expert professional who I paid and hired for the job... didn't provide me any sort of advice or do anything to make it even remotely difficult for the scammer to accomplish this. That is what bothers me. It shows a complete lack of caring or desire to actually do a good job. Especially with a large sum of money like that. Just willy nilly'd it away.
I have reviewed several cases similar - being granted access to all involved parties dm's - even when some were deleted by one of the involved parties (if one side is deleted but the other side kept it, then they are still there) and what is the same each time is this:
1. person being scammed receives a dm with a link that appears to be a thread in the forums
2. user receiving the dm clicks the link - gets a page that "looks" like forums and requires them to re-log in
3. at this point user has just given their pw to the scammer
4. scammer agrees to use escrow
5. scammer sends message from hacked account to escrow to release funds
6. scammer gets paid
7. user gets nothing
8. escrow gets blamed
This is not the fault of the escrow. maybe it could be solved if the escrows require a signed message from the buyer before releasing funds - for the scammer to do that would require that they also compromised the buyers private keys.
The problem here is that many users sadly use exchange accounts or dont know how to sign a message.
1. person being scammed receives a dm with a link that appears to be a thread in the forums
2. user receiving the dm clicks the link - gets a page that "looks" like forums and requires them to re-log in
3. at this point user has just given their pw to the scammer
4. scammer agrees to use escrow
5. scammer sends message from hacked account to escrow to release funds
6. scammer gets paid
7. user gets nothing
8. escrow gets blamed
This is not the fault of the escrow. maybe it could be solved if the escrows require a signed message from the buyer before releasing funds - for the scammer to do that would require that they also compromised the buyers private keys.
The problem here is that many users sadly use exchange accounts or dont know how to sign a message.
It’s just a wallet on exodus, if you can direct me to where I can go to sign a message, gladly. I also think forum mods can confirm it via my IP address. This is what I’m hoping can be used to grant access back to my personal account.
Import the seed phrase in Electrum and you can sign it
And follow the steps in this thread to recover your own account https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5089777
Message:
August 17, 2022 - BTCTalk Verification. I am scott2k / BetgalaxyADM.
Address:
bc1qk8skrwwuegucy796gmfmfc7zxy0d0pll6aysk2
Signature:
HwV8IdYdgE+Ksktqy/16fkYo/+2qBW3wLavK1qye1irgV9aBHqzj6/qArVfilQDAMQznY21Y9VofI6MPLYWBg/Y=
It’s just a wallet on exodus, if you can direct me to where I can go to sign a message, gladly. I also think forum mods can confirm it via my IP address. This is what I’m hoping can be used to grant access back to my personal account.
Import the seed phrase in Electrum and you can sign it
And follow the steps in this thread to recover your own account https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5089777
Ohh awesome... I thought I was going to have to download the entire bitcoin-core chain data.
And yes, already sent the email off
Thank you!
Good luck with your lawyer I guess..
This forum is not a hand holding forum (2FA)
It is not a lawyers or governments hand holding forum either..
If you can’t explicitly prove that account was yours, you probably aren’t getting it or anything out of it..
The users here are much more skilled at figuring out what happened than 99% of lawyers or their “experts” are anyway..
This forum is not a hand holding forum (2FA)
It is not a lawyers or governments hand holding forum either..
If you can’t explicitly prove that account was yours, you probably aren’t getting it or anything out of it..
The users here are much more skilled at figuring out what happened than 99% of lawyers or their “experts” are anyway..
Owning the email address the account was created on explicitly proves that I am the owner of the account that was created with it.
Well... I am hoping that won't be the case. (about them deleting everything... and if they have, I will ask the person who gets me access back to roll back those deletions... it should be possible... if not my lawyer will get it 
).
In either case, I can prove it by sending bitcoin out of that same wallet again, that wallet clearly goes to Og and then clearly goes back out to another user.
That alone right there proves that a big transaction took place.
And also the simple fact that Og was in here already replying to me and confirming that he released the funds because the authorized account said it was alright to do so.
I am not going to post screenshots from my personal email account of the PM's we had over the past weeks during this dealing... that will reveal sensitive personal information about me that I am not going to show to the world... I will however send out a small transaction from that wallet should anyone want me to prove I own that wallet. If that's something you want me to do, just let me know. I will send it to an address I post in a post here right before doing it.
).In either case, I can prove it by sending bitcoin out of that same wallet again, that wallet clearly goes to Og and then clearly goes back out to another user.
That alone right there proves that a big transaction took place.
And also the simple fact that Og was in here already replying to me and confirming that he released the funds because the authorized account said it was alright to do so.
I am not going to post screenshots from my personal email account of the PM's we had over the past weeks during this dealing... that will reveal sensitive personal information about me that I am not going to show to the world... I will however send out a small transaction from that wallet should anyone want me to prove I own that wallet. If that's something you want me to do, just let me know. I will send it to an address I post in a post here right before doing it.
Yea you could just be stirring up shit..
Getting your account back may not help you at all because whoever has it can delete everything..
Post what you have..
This forum doesn’t offer much of anything other than a place for people to write posts.. This is not the forums fault at all.. So stop that..
Dealing like this only relying on account communication isn’t unusual and is pretty secure, because users that make big deals usually keep their account secure..
If your going to rely on the security of your account, keep your account secure..
If you want real security don’t rely on your account, rely on your keys..
Cold keys would be best..
You better change the passwords on all of your accounts..
Like right now..
Getting your account back may not help you at all because whoever has it can delete everything..
Post what you have..
This forum doesn’t offer much of anything other than a place for people to write posts.. This is not the forums fault at all.. So stop that..
Dealing like this only relying on account communication isn’t unusual and is pretty secure, because users that make big deals usually keep their account secure..
If your going to rely on the security of your account, keep your account secure..
If you want real security don’t rely on your account, rely on your keys..
Cold keys would be best..
You better change the passwords on all of your accounts..
Like right now..
So I stole my own money and am coming here just to make a stink?
For what? Boredom?
No, this is a old work account who I was a moderator for. My personal account is the one that got compromised, I used this account to try to quickly stop what was taking place.
I will post proof just as soon as I regain access to the account.
While I do agree now knowing what I know, the escrow deal could have have more secure terms... but isn't this exactly what I PAY FOR THE SERVICE FOR? Why didn't Og notify me "Hey, based on my expertise, this doesn't seem very secure. I recommend adding this... or that" Yeah maybe it's not his entire responsibility to do so, but it shows exactly how lazy he is at his job.... and people should know this. Part of getting a escrower is you expect them to help you to avoid such pitfalls.
And sure, we will find out if I did get phished or something, but that being said, it is still completely ludicrous that this website does not offer 2fa when it offers massive marketplace services and other things that really require account security to be strong. I think it is hard to argue this. And there is really no reason for it. It is a free service google provides and other providers provide as well... and it is usually very easy to integrate, although I admit I wouldn't know since I have no experience with this forum framework from a development standpoint.
Sure - you are right I guess we should have used more security... but my point still remains the same... the escrow agent should have detected this and atleast alerted that he felt the deal was not secure for the seller or buyer or both.
Yes I have plenty of proof, it's just only viewable in my email account. The scott2k account is locked, I have emailed to request access be granted back. Waiting to hear back, and if I get back in I will gladly prove to you that I am infact Scott2k... Og knows I am scott2k because I gave him the original shipping address in the private messages during the original dealing.
I agree... this situation needs A LOT OF EYES ON IT THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT!
For what? Boredom?No, this is a old work account who I was a moderator for. My personal account is the one that got compromised, I used this account to try to quickly stop what was taking place.
I will post proof just as soon as I regain access to the account.
While I do agree now knowing what I know, the escrow deal could have have more secure terms... but isn't this exactly what I PAY FOR THE SERVICE FOR?
Why didn't Og notify me "Hey, based on my expertise, this doesn't seem very secure. I recommend adding this... or that" Yeah maybe it's not his entire responsibility to do so, but it shows exactly how lazy he is at his job.... and people should know this. Part of getting a escrower is you expect them to help you to avoid such pitfalls.And sure, we will find out if I did get phished or something, but that being said, it is still completely ludicrous that this website does not offer 2fa when it offers massive marketplace services and other things that really require account security to be strong. I think it is hard to argue this. And there is really no reason for it. It is a free service google provides and other providers provide as well... and it is usually very easy to integrate, although I admit I wouldn't know since I have no experience with this forum framework from a development standpoint.
Sure - you are right I guess we should have used more security... but my point still remains the same... the escrow agent should have detected this and atleast alerted that he felt the deal was not secure for the seller or buyer or both.
Yes I have plenty of proof, it's just only viewable in my email account. The scott2k account is locked, I have emailed to request access be granted back. Waiting to hear back, and if I get back in I will gladly prove to you that I am infact Scott2k... Og knows I am scott2k because I gave him the original shipping address in the private messages during the original dealing.
I agree... this situation needs A LOT OF EYES ON IT
THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT!“And part of the agreement was that I would verify the item was a legit, working, antminer L7”
Post proof!
Post all communications including these agreements..
Almost done reading and will have more to say momentarily..
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And also we know it was likely the “seller” who hacked because she just simply had the funds released to the wallet that the burky155 account provided.”
BS!
You could be both the buyer and seller here..
This could be all just YOU trying to create drama and possibly scam here..
You could be the scammer here..
Nothing is certain.. Yet..
BTW I really don’t appreciate you blaming this forum and all of your 2FA posting nonsense..
You fucked up..
This escrow deal wasn’t very secure in the first place!
Any escrow deal depending on only communication from an account/account ownership is less secure than it could be..
You ALL agreed to a less than secure deal in the first place..
Less secure than possible at least..
This is very common, but not as secure as it could have been..
“Owner Of Betgalaxy.io Profit-Sharing Casino”
You own a crypto casino and don’t even know how to secure an escrow deal?
Lazy..
Very suspicious..
If you all wanted to engage in a more secure escrow transaction NONE of you should be accepting ANY communication that isn’t/wasn’t cryptographically signed with a bitcoin/crypto address or PGP..
Relying on a forum account as proof of identity is lazy.. (common with smaller deals like this, $10k is a modest sized deal but not massive)
If I was to escrow deals like this NO agreements or directions such as releases would happen without every single last critical instruction and contract all being signed every time other than blockchain proofs such as TX IDs..
OP do you have any proofs of your communications at all?
Should this be moved to scam accusations?
This situation needs many serious eyes on it..
And for all involved to stay on topic..
Post proof!
Post all communications including these agreements..
Almost done reading and will have more to say momentarily..
“
And also we know it was likely the “seller” who hacked because she just simply had the funds released to the wallet that the burky155 account provided.”
BS!
You could be both the buyer and seller here..
This could be all just YOU trying to create drama and possibly scam here..
You could be the scammer here..
Nothing is certain.. Yet..
BTW I really don’t appreciate you blaming this forum and all of your 2FA posting nonsense..
You fucked up..
This escrow deal wasn’t very secure in the first place!
Any escrow deal depending on only communication from an account/account ownership is less secure than it could be..
You ALL agreed to a less than secure deal in the first place..
Less secure than possible at least..
This is very common, but not as secure as it could have been..
“Owner Of Betgalaxy.io Profit-Sharing Casino”
You own a crypto casino and don’t even know how to secure an escrow deal?
Lazy..
Very suspicious..
If you all wanted to engage in a more secure escrow transaction NONE of you should be accepting ANY communication that isn’t/wasn’t cryptographically signed with a bitcoin/crypto address or PGP..
Relying on a forum account as proof of identity is lazy.. (common with smaller deals like this, $10k is a modest sized deal but not massive)
If I was to escrow deals like this NO agreements or directions such as releases would happen without every single last critical instruction and contract all being signed every time other than blockchain proofs such as TX IDs..
OP do you have any proofs of your communications at all?
Should this be moved to scam accusations?
This situation needs many serious eyes on it..
And for all involved to stay on topic..
Thank you
I unfortunately did not set the BTC address in my profile, but I do have access to the original email, ip address, etc... Sent an email to the address provided in the link you gave me.. Hopefully it works out.
I unfortunately did not set the BTC address in my profile, but I do have access to the original email, ip address, etc... Sent an email to the address provided in the link you gave me.. Hopefully it works out.
Hey all, I’m sorry if this is posted somewhere, I searched around and found no clear official info on it…
Who do I contact in regards to recovering a compromised account? This compromise lead to the theft of $11,500 in btc, and I need access back to further investigate.
Thank you, and again sorry for making a thread of this is posted somewhere already. I am probably just blind
Who do I contact in regards to recovering a compromised account? This compromise lead to the theft of $11,500 in btc, and I need access back to further investigate.
Thank you, and again sorry for making a thread of this is posted somewhere already. I am probably just blind
In this position, we never understand, whether the user recieved the product or pretends to... OgNasty couldn't do anything because he had already provided services according to the policy he had
....demand responsibility from OgNasty to return the money, because that is no longer possible, and this is not ognasty fault.
....demand responsibility from OgNasty to return the money, because that is no longer possible, and this is not ognasty fault.
I didn't say it was OG's fault !
Just thought it would be a good idea for OP to prove he is the owner of the scott2k account in a more credible way, not just confirming some shipping addresses that anyone who had access to his account could probably see in the PMs
It’s just a wallet on exodus, if you can direct me to where I can go to sign a message, gladly. I also think forum mods can confirm it via my IP address. This is what I’m hoping can be used to grant access back to my personal account.
My email is secured with 2fa.
It is very clear to me that only my BTT account has been accessed.
And part of the agreement was that I would verify the item was a legit, working, antminer L7…. So no matter what there is a security problem, and ultimately no password is secure without 2fa of some sort.
That being said, he should have known something was not right when the guy said he would ship it within 3 days…. And that he would provide tracking once shipped (as I posted requiring him to post tracking in our group chat once he had it)…. And they tracking was never given, as well as Og seeming to not pay attention and going ahead and releasing the funds…. With haste too.
It is very clear to me that only my BTT account has been accessed.
And part of the agreement was that I would verify the item was a legit, working, antminer L7…. So no matter what there is a security problem, and ultimately no password is secure without 2fa of some sort.
That being said, he should have known something was not right when the guy said he would ship it within 3 days…. And that he would provide tracking once shipped (as I posted requiring him to post tracking in our group chat once he had it)…. And they tracking was never given, as well as Og seeming to not pay attention and going ahead and releasing the funds…. With haste too.
Interesting but not new it happens often, when you are “online” anything can be compromised. What if it’s not BTT but your email was compromised or may be your laptop is infected with a virus? Or may be someone known to “you” who knew your password?
Og is right how would he know if it’s “you”? Once your password is compromised means scammer now have access your message too so proving a shipping address proves nothing.
Your whole point revolves around not getting any tracking number, but this too can be framed very easily. What if scammer mailed you an empty box or may be a “brick” with a valid tracking id and when it’s delivered, funds released.
I’m just trying to show you that even a tracking id would have saved you.
In short in this case you can’t blame OgNasty. You should have been vigilant before transacting such big amount.
Og is right how would he know if it’s “you”? Once your password is compromised means scammer now have access your message too so proving a shipping address proves nothing.
Your whole point revolves around not getting any tracking number, but this too can be framed very easily. What if scammer mailed you an empty box or may be a “brick” with a valid tracking id and when it’s delivered, funds released.
I’m just trying to show you that even a tracking id would have saved you.
In short in this case you can’t blame OgNasty. You should have been vigilant before transacting such big amount.
I held the funds for 3 days. That's plenty of time for shipping to have occurred, especially considering they were discussing this deal for days before BTC was sent. When they asked me to release funds I even made the buyer double confirm that everything was ok and to release funds. It's not my place to hold onto someone's funds when they tell me twice to release them to the seller. The release approval was from the right account. It was being released to the prior agreed upon address.
Keeping your account secure is important.
Keeping your account secure is important.
Yeah, and I still don't even know how my account was hacked.
I also would love to know how to keep any account secure when there is no 2FA option available.
Yes, you had the funds for nearly 3 full days... but he specifically stated it would take him UP TO 3 days just to SHIP IT... and he would LET US KNOW once shipped...
Which he never did...
I get it, you can't hold funds ransom, but you have to know that something could have gone wrong... the fact that it never appeared to have even been shipped yet...
and to release the funds to him within 40 mins of him requesting it from MY account... so fast... like cmon...
In the future, I would recommend REQUIRING a tracking # be confirmed to be provided... AND at least 2 days thereafter before any release can happen.
Because I am obviously not the only person who has had their account broken into.
And additionally, use whatever pull you have if you have any, and get the btctalk devs to add fkn 2fa... its 2022 for Christ's sake.
Update:
Og gave me his last dm... he has now blocked me from dming him...
He said the miner could have been overnighted... lol
I tried to remind him that..
In the message with the TXID of my payment, I specifically instructed Burky155 to provide tracking information, to insure it, and signature delivery.
Burky then replied saying okay, and he would ship it in 1-3 days and would LET US KNOW when it was shipped.
That didn't happen... and he STILL released it..
And then he blocks me
Fact of the matter is... yes I screwed up, but so did OgNasty, and his complete lack of taking ANY responsibility for not following the exact guidelines of the deal... and letting a scam take place... is going to bite him.
I am going to release the hounds on this one... I don't appreciate getting a terrible service, being told that IM the one that screwed up SOLELY... and then blocking me from further communication.
No empathy. No offer of refund of his fee (measly $150, who cares anyway)... Pure assholery and smart ass responses that just lead me further to imply that he possibly is "in" on it.
I am going to utilize all of my resources to find that out, and also all of them to make sure people know to not use his escrow services, and to generally not use escrow services on a platform that has horseshit security.
Og gave me his last dm... he has now blocked me from dming him...
He said the miner could have been overnighted... lol
I tried to remind him that..
In the message with the TXID of my payment, I specifically instructed Burky155 to provide tracking information, to insure it, and signature delivery.
Burky then replied saying okay, and he would ship it in 1-3 days and would LET US KNOW when it was shipped.
That didn't happen... and he STILL released it..
And then he blocks me
Fact of the matter is... yes I screwed up, but so did OgNasty, and his complete lack of taking ANY responsibility for not following the exact guidelines of the deal... and letting a scam take place... is going to bite him.
I am going to release the hounds on this one... I don't appreciate getting a terrible service, being told that IM the one that screwed up SOLELY... and then blocking me from further communication.
No empathy. No offer of refund of his fee (measly $150, who cares anyway)... Pure assholery and smart ass responses that just lead me further to imply that he possibly is "in" on it.
I am going to utilize all of my resources to find that out, and also all of them to make sure people know to not use his escrow services, and to generally not use escrow services on a platform that has horseshit security.
And regarding your last question "How would I proceed from here?"
First and foremost, obviously try to get Burky155 to refund the funds or ACTUALLY send the miner (this won't happen though, we all know that). Second, course of action will be to ask my lawyer to file subpoena requests through the courts to obtain the information I need to proceed with either prosecution, or the file a lawsuit if it is deemed against regulations and/or illegal to facilitate such services without proper security systems in place.
That's where I'm at with this, and I have the resources to go as far as I want with it... and given enough subpoena's to exchanges, this website, etc to find out the true identities of these people... I will eventually get at minimum a lawsuit filed.
While I know ultimately the scammer is "at fault"... I also believe that btctalk may have a legal obligation to have some bare minimum security features if they wish to continue to facilitate marketplace services... I don't know though until I ask my lawyer tomorrow to begin investigating the laws and what I can and cannot go after.
I sure as hell am going to try.
Probably because they're two of the most established and trusted escrows here? That's what you requested, right?
Didn't you make a little research as to the two options provided? How did you come up with Og and not minerjones?
Also, did you not also check the background of the user you're about to do transaction with? I'm asking because burky155 was inactive for more than 3 years before suddenly coming out of nowhere selling something.
A 2FA could indeed be of help. But knowing that it doesn't have this feature, why did you proceed with the transaction? Also, what happened to you could be considered isolated. I mean, it's not everyday that an account involved in a transaction got hacked in the middle of it.
What was the agreement, by the way? When could the escrow release the fund? Is it when the item has already arrived? Or is it enough that a tracking number is provided? Or could he release the funds upon instruction of the buyer?
I don't think so.
Have the three of you been communicating until now? How would you proceed from here? Do you believe that user burky155 really sent the item that you bought? I guess you should communicate with him/her. If he/she indeed sent it, then no problem. If he/she didn't, then it is obvious he/she is scamming you.
First and foremost, obviously try to get Burky155 to refund the funds or ACTUALLY send the miner (this won't happen though, we all know that). Second, course of action will be to ask my lawyer to file subpoena requests through the courts to obtain the information I need to proceed with either prosecution, or the file a lawsuit if it is deemed against regulations and/or illegal to facilitate such services without proper security systems in place.
That's where I'm at with this, and I have the resources to go as far as I want with it... and given enough subpoena's to exchanges, this website, etc to find out the true identities of these people... I will eventually get at minimum a lawsuit filed.
While I know ultimately the scammer is "at fault"... I also believe that btctalk may have a legal obligation to have some bare minimum security features if they wish to continue to facilitate marketplace services... I don't know though until I ask my lawyer tomorrow to begin investigating the laws and what I can and cannot go after.
I sure as hell am going to try.
Funny, the seller was only okay with using OgNasty or minerjones.
ONLY THEM.
Doesn’t that imply some sort of coordination?
ONLY THEM.
Doesn’t that imply some sort of coordination?
Probably because they're two of the most established and trusted escrows here? That's what you requested, right?
Sending you a DM, interested. Must use trusted escrower here, or Bitrated.
Didn't you make a little research as to the two options provided? How did you come up with Og and not minerjones?
Also, did you not also check the background of the user you're about to do transaction with? I'm asking because burky155 was inactive for more than 3 years before suddenly coming out of nowhere selling something.
How can I properly secure my account when this platform doesn’t even have basic (and FREE) services to do so? Like google 2fa.
A 2FA could indeed be of help. But knowing that it doesn't have this feature, why did you proceed with the transaction? Also, what happened to you could be considered isolated. I mean, it's not everyday that an account involved in a transaction got hacked in the middle of it.
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And the reason the escrower should also have had a red flag was that there’s no physical way the package could have arrived to me that quickly. Not just the fact that he hadn’t given tracking info yet.
What was the agreement, by the way? When could the escrow release the fund? Is it when the item has already arrived? Or is it enough that a tracking number is provided? Or could he release the funds upon instruction of the buyer?
1) does OgNasty have any access to any backend systems that allows him to reset a password for a user? Like a support feature.
I don't think so.
Have the three of you been communicating until now? How would you proceed from here? Do you believe that user burky155 really sent the item that you bought? I guess you should communicate with him/her. If he/she indeed sent it, then no problem. If he/she didn't, then it is obvious he/she is scamming you.
1. Yes, sure. But the way my account was reset first, and then email changed... makes me think some fuckery afoot.
2. Yes, and I chose Og because I have used him for other transactions in the past. Those that weren't with a scammer though... smaller transactions as well.
3. Agree maybe I shouldn't have, but this is also one of the only places to really facilitate such trades... The platform should be more secure especially considering how common these trades take place.... and apparently how easy it is to hack a btctalk account... is there even auto-lock on too many failed attempts? Can it be attempted a million times if the guy just changes his IP address and clears cache?
4. The agreement was that after the item was shipped, and after I received it and verified it is a authentic Antminer L7 miner... I would release the funds.
5. I have gotten some replies from Og, but nothing from Burky155. I do not believe Burky155 sent the miner... because the "hacker" told Og to release the funds to Burky.. Clearly a scam took place and there is no mythical Antminer L7 in the mail on it's way to me.
Probably because they're two of the most established and trusted escrows here? That's what you requested, right?
Didn't you make a little research as to the two options provided? How did you come up with Og and not minerjones?
Also, did you not also check the background of the user you're about to do transaction with? I'm asking because burky155 was inactive for more than 3 years before suddenly coming out of nowhere selling something.
A 2FA could indeed be of help. But knowing that it doesn't have this feature, why did you proceed with the transaction? Also, what happened to you could be considered isolated. I mean, it's not everyday that an account involved in a transaction got hacked in the middle of it.
What was the agreement, by the way? When could the escrow release the fund? Is it when the item has already arrived? Or is it enough that a tracking number is provided? Or could he release the funds upon instruction of the buyer?
I don't think so.
Have the three of you been communicating until now? How would you proceed from here? Do you believe that user burky155 really sent the item that you bought? I guess you should communicate with him/her. If he/she indeed sent it, then no problem. If he/she didn't, then it is obvious he/she is scamming you.
2. Yes, and I chose Og because I have used him for other transactions in the past. Those that weren't with a scammer though... smaller transactions as well.
3. Agree maybe I shouldn't have, but this is also one of the only places to really facilitate such trades... The platform should be more secure especially considering how common these trades take place.... and apparently how easy it is to hack a btctalk account... is there even auto-lock on too many failed attempts? Can it be attempted a million times if the guy just changes his IP address and clears cache?
4. The agreement was that after the item was shipped, and after I received it and verified it is a authentic Antminer L7 miner... I would release the funds.
5. I have gotten some replies from Og, but nothing from Burky155. I do not believe Burky155 sent the miner... because the "hacker" told Og to release the funds to Burky.. Clearly a scam took place and there is no mythical Antminer L7 in the mail on it's way to me.
Funny, the seller was only okay with using OgNasty or minerjones.
ONLY THEM.
Doesn’t that imply some sort of coordination?
ONLY THEM.
Doesn’t that imply some sort of coordination?
Probably because they're two of the most established and trusted escrows here? That's what you requested, right?
Sending you a DM, interested. Must use trusted escrower here, or Bitrated.
Didn't you make a little research as to the two options provided? How did you come up with Og and not minerjones?
Also, did you not also check the background of the user you're about to do transaction with? I'm asking because burky155 was inactive for more than 3 years before suddenly coming out of nowhere selling something.
How can I properly secure my account when this platform doesn’t even have basic (and FREE) services to do so? Like google 2fa.
A 2FA could indeed be of help. But knowing that it doesn't have this feature, why did you proceed with the transaction? Also, what happened to you could be considered isolated. I mean, it's not everyday that an account involved in a transaction got hacked in the middle of it.
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And the reason the escrower should also have had a red flag was that there’s no physical way the package could have arrived to me that quickly. Not just the fact that he hadn’t given tracking info yet.
What was the agreement, by the way? When could the escrow release the fund? Is it when the item has already arrived? Or is it enough that a tracking number is provided? Or could he release the funds upon instruction of the buyer?
1) does OgNasty have any access to any backend systems that allows him to reset a password for a user? Like a support feature.
I don't think so.
Have the three of you been communicating until now? How would you proceed from here? Do you believe that user burky155 really sent the item that you bought? I guess you should communicate with him/her. If he/she indeed sent it, then no problem. If he/she didn't, then it is obvious he/she is scamming you.