Is the poker site still alive?  Lol.

Anyway, I suggested this at the SWC thread but they don't seem too interested, so I'll post it here:  How about setting up a poker network for existing BTC sports betting sites and casinos with a shared player pool. 

Could WPN's skin be used but with the entire cash and tourney player pool isolated for BTC only?

You guys could lead the way.

It would have been better to reveal the site name along with screenshots when you were fully ready instead of hyping it up without concrete proof op. At present, whatever you say can only be taken with a grain of salt since we cannot clarify your claims.

Another problem is that your account is a brand new account which is why it is difficult to verify your claims. I advise locking this thread and editing it with the name and site links only when it ready later on in order to properly attract our attention.

I don't like to wait for withdrawals too but looks like you have a good reason for delay. I didn't play on betcoin.ag more for a long time, can I log in with my old account or I will have to make a new one, is there some promotions for us old-new players?

hey! how much time does it take to cashout @betcoinpoker?
why does it make me wait 24 hours? doesn't look like you are too busy!

Love the new HTML5 client guys.  The lobby is pretty easy to filter.  And I like the BBJ tables go down up to the lowest stakes...  There's very low traffic tho (I hope that changes soon).  What time does it usually pick up?

please, post a working link!

your discord invite code is expired, nobody can join!

fix your discord invite link!

the andrews on acr and bcp had the same voice not just the name,  but this is unrelated my point was there was alot of coincidences that led to my assumptions, and most of them are probably not accurate.
"We know that some things might lead you to such thoughts" this is kind of the point i was trying to make, with all of the things that seem to not add up, coincidences , bad rep. spanning multiple skins it's reasonable to believe there are shady things going on behind the scenes that may or may not actually be true.

alot of your players you get will have their own history with these other skins, and a majority will never know/read about the ownership change. even though you own betcoinpokerag the same ones that ruined it's rep is using betcoinag. no matter what you do now, you will have to trust them 100% to not bring bad attention to their selves because it will be connected to you regardless " the majority will never know/read about the ownership change" if you google either domains betcoinag or betcoinpokerag you will see the site,mixed reviews and scam reports on the first page, you won't see any info about the ownership transfer until the 2nd or 3rd page.

just re reading this it seems like babbling and that i have no point that i'm trying to make.
"andrew" and all of the other problems i had was examples to show that i'm genuinely unsure if its new management "which as i stated i have no problem playing there even if it's not" so i don't need convincing.
the point of it is that i'm sure there is other people with similar doubts/questions/concerns that won't bother looking "deep" into it ---"but there are many other facts which can put you in contradiction with those "things"."---- i'm sure there is alot of facts i'm missing, and i'm not interested enough to search multiple pages from multiple sources, like a majority of people today, it's not worth their time and effort to scavenge all of the pieces .

having no bad rep since you started building it up is good. but my opinion is unchanged if you want people to truly trust you, you need to address alot of the concerns people have or will have. not a dozen pages in the back of a thread. "revamped betcoinpoker" should be in the top five search results before we see all of the scam reports. the homepage should have links to good reviews from reputable sites,blogpost about future plans/updates, Q/A , " reach your playerbase on a personal level" instead of a professional anonymous entity"--- these may be horrible suggestions but right now the homepage has twice the amount of bonuses listed then the "bonus" page does.

apart from all of the examples and suggestions.
my overall point is make these facts that i and everyone else should have more easily obtainable.i have no experience running a service like this so it's probably foolish of me to give advice just wanted to share my thoughts.

I joined a few giveaways last year, and ive personally never had issues cashing out before 2016 and now. before 2016 i had alot of issues with management and how poorly it was being ran "half the time i couldn't access my account" "a troll was left unbanned for 4years begging/scamming/toxic" management said they wouldn't ban because users should have free speech, i had multiple post removed from the site for addressing real concerns around the same time, they ignored security flaws i reported, reset all of my referrals which still hasn't been fix'd after several attempts.

this has nothing to do with "new management" if there actually is new management.


but i'm still not convinced it's under new management.


the main reason i think it's the same group...
https://www.betcoin.ag/betcoin-paul-promoted-higher-position-within-organization

when paul left the site started going down hill, but it seems odd he would gain a promotion at wpn "if it was 2 separate organizations" but from his statement it seems that betcoin is a community inside the wpn organization.

--- when i found these security flaws and they where ignored for months i contacted other skins "because it could impact all players who use the network" i called americas cardroom ,the supports name was andrew
when i brought it up there was a brief silence before he responded with sarcasm while talking me in circles avoiding the issue  "being a smart ass" when i called blackchippoker rep said "hi this is andrew how may i help you" with the exact same voice.  meanwhile guess who is overseeing my ticket at betcoin? "andrew"


3rd reason
winningpokernetwork has a designated 3rd party "pretty sure it's a branch wpn runs, but lets just say it's not"  handling all of the payment processing. All of the other skins use this, ive seen on 2plus2 somewhere that it's required "but since i'm not sure lets assume it's not required"the "3rd party" is capable of anon btc transactions. why would betcoin be the only skin not using this, and why is betcoin the only skin wpn hasn't officially affiliated it's self with, why is it the only one to ever have a scam accusation on this scale?


From my years of experience playing with wpn i have gathered enough info to make a reasonable assumption that winningpokernetwork owns 100% of these skins and there's not a commission structure offered to investors or popular cardroom brands.

But since me or noone else has ever been able to verify ownership of any of these skins this is just a theory, that can't be proven.


If wpn does own betcoinpoker like i believe, it's not really new management.

if you bought it and really are a new team, then here are my questions.

#1 Why would you buy a brand when it's near it's peak for bad reputation, why would you share that brand with the previous team that destroyed it "and are still using it" would it not be easier to join wpn under a new brand?
#2 Why should anyone believe there is new management when the details about the entire claimed transaction are still a mystery.


like i said i have had bad experiences with this brand and wpn, but i never had a reason to believe i wouldn't get cashed out before or now, every request has been processed and i still use the skins mentioned so for playing low stakes i trust you enough to accept the risk, but there is soo much that doesn't add up, the entire network seems shady. i'm not posting this to bring up past issues. this is what you need to address if you want more players to trust betcoin again, because so far all you have done is claimed to be a new person and that people should trust you based on that.