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Re: [ANN] MOBILEGO Crowdfund - LARGEST Crypto Crowdsale In History
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Betterman
on 07/06/2017, 06:29:40 UTC


I count it as a loss because even when trading begins the price will not reach 9x its current value. That's roughly what has to happen for me to profit even a little. I've held coins for periods of over 1 year(I have 3 coins right now I've not touched for that long), and I may do that with this coin. All I said is right now its a loss and I will probably exit early to minimize the loss. I have a shit ton of stuff going on and the ICO was taking so long I honestly didn't keep up with it. I have 3 other ICOs i'm already involved with, this was my smallest involvement. Every ICO i've been involved with has made me money accept this one. It happens, so what I'm not fucking married to the coin as you seem to be. I hope this coin and tech succeeds, its great for developers! I'm just telling you I'm not sticking around.

I must be doing something right considering I invested $2500 about a year ago and now hold just over 58 BTC and 5 GPU rigs completely ROId. I do have a degree in mech. engineering, so I can't be that stupid... Care to continue with insults or do you have anything else?

You just looked at your tokens and thought you got free money...
The one guy calculated the time stamps for you and it's all golden, but you got into your head that you were already getting all this free money.

If you put ANY money into this ICO, I would bet money it's going to triple. Just look at any other decent ICO's so far. So there's no way you're going to lose money. It doesn't exactly make sense that you'd have to have ANY token go x9 in value to make ANY profit...wouldn't you just need 1.5x or so?....



While I agree with them, it's your fault for thinking you'd get THAT many coins for such small amount of capital, I also know that when I pointed out that other ICO's have run smoothly, Hhampuz got bitchy with me too...and all of a sudden is talking about how all these flaws that I bitched about are normal and just get over it or read a little lol.

You were very dumb for thinking putting in that much money would get you that many tokens at ~.76 cents a token likely when they hit the exchange...if you put in $X and you see tokens are ~.76 then you literally told yourself you got FREEEEEE money and have now been counting on that...and just the whole logic of you need it to go 9x to get any profit?...not following that one unless you're counting the price of I guess the fake wave assets that are like .02 or whatever the guy posted.

However even if you were dumb Hhampuz is very passive aggressive. Very douchey.

Totally agree with you. Apparently, Hhampuz is an advocate of the team.

The distribution method is definitely bad and untrustworthy, even if they said they had stated it in the white paper.

For a successful IPO, the most important thing are trustworthiness and transparence.

You could use a time-stamped method, however, you should indicate the price at the same time, just like Storj did. The investors could figure out their coin amount easily and no dispute would arise.

Or you could just use a bitcoin or Ether alignment method, and the investors could figure out the coin amount easily.

For the method the Mobilego chose to use, the investors have to rely on the calculation of the development team.

Why should a decentralised project rely on a centralised calculation?

Are the team really trustworthy?

For me, the time stamped method is just a trick they played on us. IF the price of the coins goes up, they will take the profit from the early investors. The problem is , if the price goes down, are they able to compensate the shortfall of the devaluated coins? Of course they will not. The only thing they could do is moving value from investors to them.

That is to way, no matter how the price goes, they would easily make money from the information asymmetry.


So you have a personal issue with me now? How cute.

I see that you keep mentioning words like "Trustworthiness" and "Transparence". Do you even know the meaning of these words? If the rules were clearly stated and spoken of time and time again you can't come along afterwards and cry about it, can you? Well.. I know you are doing it but it was a hypothetical question.

With all of that being said, what is it that you expect to get from making these posts time and time again? Do you expect them to change it all, now? They are starting to distribute the tokens later today or tomorrow, a bit late now, don't you think?

If you are not looking for them to change the method then you are trying to spread FUD. Which is also a bit fun since the ICO is over and trading on markets are yet to begin. Come to think of it I'm not really sure why you even take your time to post here. Are you invested?

Do you speak English? The question should be " did you invest"!

OF course, I did invest more than 10 BTC, and that is why I really care about the transparence and trustworthiness of the team.

As for the mess the ICO had brought to us, I would rather have the choice to withdraw my investment.

Did you invest, as a very passive aggressive douchebag!

Obviously, even you did invest, the small amount did not really make any difference!and that is why you are not concerning the fairness of the distribution.

I was actually asking if you are invested. But whatever.

As for how much or how small my investment is or was, that's really not something you should be worried about. And as with crypto in general even the little guy gets his voice heard.

You failed to reply to my other question though, that's a bit funny considering you were trying to attack my English.

Distribution has begun so I think it's time for us to stop with these charades. Enjoy your profits dude, I'll keep attacking all and any FUD though.

A reasonable concern should not be treated as a FUD. From my point of view, there is really a big hole in this "time stamped" method. I also pointed out the evidences. But I thought you might not read my replies carefully, which are reasonable from any point of view.

Hope all the 70 million tokens are well distributed to all the investors.But who knows, it is hard for one investors to calculated their own tokens, especially when the "time stamped" method is so complicated.
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Re: [ANN] MOBILEGO Crowdfund - LARGEST Crypto Crowdsale In History
by
Betterman
on 07/06/2017, 03:25:32 UTC


I count it as a loss because even when trading begins the price will not reach 9x its current value. That's roughly what has to happen for me to profit even a little. I've held coins for periods of over 1 year(I have 3 coins right now I've not touched for that long), and I may do that with this coin. All I said is right now its a loss and I will probably exit early to minimize the loss. I have a shit ton of stuff going on and the ICO was taking so long I honestly didn't keep up with it. I have 3 other ICOs i'm already involved with, this was my smallest involvement. Every ICO i've been involved with has made me money accept this one. It happens, so what I'm not fucking married to the coin as you seem to be. I hope this coin and tech succeeds, its great for developers! I'm just telling you I'm not sticking around.

I must be doing something right considering I invested $2500 about a year ago and now hold just over 58 BTC and 5 GPU rigs completely ROId. I do have a degree in mech. engineering, so I can't be that stupid... Care to continue with insults or do you have anything else?

You just looked at your tokens and thought you got free money...
The one guy calculated the time stamps for you and it's all golden, but you got into your head that you were already getting all this free money.

If you put ANY money into this ICO, I would bet money it's going to triple. Just look at any other decent ICO's so far. So there's no way you're going to lose money. It doesn't exactly make sense that you'd have to have ANY token go x9 in value to make ANY profit...wouldn't you just need 1.5x or so?....



While I agree with them, it's your fault for thinking you'd get THAT many coins for such small amount of capital, I also know that when I pointed out that other ICO's have run smoothly, Hhampuz got bitchy with me too...and all of a sudden is talking about how all these flaws that I bitched about are normal and just get over it or read a little lol.

You were very dumb for thinking putting in that much money would get you that many tokens at ~.76 cents a token likely when they hit the exchange...if you put in $X and you see tokens are ~.76 then you literally told yourself you got FREEEEEE money and have now been counting on that...and just the whole logic of you need it to go 9x to get any profit?...not following that one unless you're counting the price of I guess the fake wave assets that are like .02 or whatever the guy posted.

However even if you were dumb Hhampuz is very passive aggressive. Very douchey.

Totally agree with you. Apparently, Hhampuz is an advocate of the team.

The distribution method is definitely bad and untrustworthy, even if they said they had stated it in the white paper.

For a successful IPO, the most important thing are trustworthiness and transparence.

You could use a time-stamped method, however, you should indicate the price at the same time, just like Storj did. The investors could figure out their coin amount easily and no dispute would arise.

Or you could just use a bitcoin or Ether alignment method, and the investors could figure out the coin amount easily.

For the method the Mobilego chose to use, the investors have to rely on the calculation of the development team.

Why should a decentralised project rely on a centralised calculation?

Are the team really trustworthy?

For me, the time stamped method is just a trick they played on us. IF the price of the coins goes up, they will take the profit from the early investors. The problem is , if the price goes down, are they able to compensate the shortfall of the devaluated coins? Of course they will not. The only thing they could do is moving value from investors to them.

That is to way, no matter how the price goes, they would easily make money from the information asymmetry.


So you have a personal issue with me now? How cute.

I see that you keep mentioning words like "Trustworthiness" and "Transparence". Do you even know the meaning of these words? If the rules were clearly stated and spoken of time and time again you can't come along afterwards and cry about it, can you? Well.. I know you are doing it but it was a hypothetical question.

With all of that being said, what is it that you expect to get from making these posts time and time again? Do you expect them to change it all, now? They are starting to distribute the tokens later today or tomorrow, a bit late now, don't you think?

If you are not looking for them to change the method then you are trying to spread FUD. Which is also a bit fun since the ICO is over and trading on markets are yet to begin. Come to think of it I'm not really sure why you even take your time to post here. Are you invested?

Do you speak English? The question should be " did you invest"!

OF course, I did invest more than 10 BTC, and that is why I really care about the transparence and trustworthiness of the team.

As for the mess the ICO had brought to us, I would rather have the choice to withdraw my investment.

Did you invest, as a very passive aggressive douchebag!

Obviously, even you did invest, the small amount did not really make any difference!and that is why you are not concerning the fairness of the distribution.
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Re: [ANN] MOBILEGO Crowdfund - LARGEST Crypto Crowdsale In History
by
Betterman
on 06/06/2017, 11:31:06 UTC


I count it as a loss because even when trading begins the price will not reach 9x its current value. That's roughly what has to happen for me to profit even a little. I've held coins for periods of over 1 year(I have 3 coins right now I've not touched for that long), and I may do that with this coin. All I said is right now its a loss and I will probably exit early to minimize the loss. I have a shit ton of stuff going on and the ICO was taking so long I honestly didn't keep up with it. I have 3 other ICOs i'm already involved with, this was my smallest involvement. Every ICO i've been involved with has made me money accept this one. It happens, so what I'm not fucking married to the coin as you seem to be. I hope this coin and tech succeeds, its great for developers! I'm just telling you I'm not sticking around.

I must be doing something right considering I invested $2500 about a year ago and now hold just over 58 BTC and 5 GPU rigs completely ROId. I do have a degree in mech. engineering, so I can't be that stupid... Care to continue with insults or do you have anything else?

You just looked at your tokens and thought you got free money...
The one guy calculated the time stamps for you and it's all golden, but you got into your head that you were already getting all this free money.

If you put ANY money into this ICO, I would bet money it's going to triple. Just look at any other decent ICO's so far. So there's no way you're going to lose money. It doesn't exactly make sense that you'd have to have ANY token go x9 in value to make ANY profit...wouldn't you just need 1.5x or so?....



While I agree with them, it's your fault for thinking you'd get THAT many coins for such small amount of capital, I also know that when I pointed out that other ICO's have run smoothly, Hhampuz got bitchy with me too...and all of a sudden is talking about how all these flaws that I bitched about are normal and just get over it or read a little lol.

You were very dumb for thinking putting in that much money would get you that many tokens at ~.76 cents a token likely when they hit the exchange...if you put in $X and you see tokens are ~.76 then you literally told yourself you got FREEEEEE money and have now been counting on that...and just the whole logic of you need it to go 9x to get any profit?...not following that one unless you're counting the price of I guess the fake wave assets that are like .02 or whatever the guy posted.

However even if you were dumb Hhampuz is very passive aggressive. Very douchey.

Totally agree with you. Apparently, Hhampuz is an advocate of the team.

The distribution method is definitely bad and untrustworthy, even if they said they had stated it in the white paper.

For a successful IPO, the most important thing are trustworthiness and transparence.

You could use a time-stamped method, however, you should indicate the price at the same time, just like Storj did. The investors could figure out their coin amount easily and no dispute would arise.

Or you could just use a bitcoin or Ether alignment method, and the investors could figure out the coin amount easily.

For the method the Mobilego chose to use, the investors have to rely on the calculation of the development team.

Why should a decentralised project rely on a centralised calculation?

Are the team really trustworthy?

For me, the time stamped method is just a trick they played on us. IF the price of the coins goes up, they will take the profit from the early investors. The problem is , if the price goes down, are they able to compensate the shortfall of the devaluated coins? Of course they will not. The only thing they could do is moving value from investors to them.

That is to way, no matter how the price goes, they would easily make money from the information asymmetry.
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Re: [ANN] MOBILEGO Crowdfund - LARGEST Crypto Crowdsale In History
by
Betterman
on 05/06/2017, 03:12:27 UTC
I invested 3000 game and i have been seeing 169xx MGO. Now I just check and it shows My MobileGo Tokens
15,742. why please?

That's funny.  I invested about 1500 Game the first day of the ICO and it shows I'm getting just over 2600 MGO.  That doesn't seem fair to me if you're getting that much MGO. I've cleared cache and history on my browser but it makes no difference. What is the  formula for calculating how much MGO for Game invested on first day of ICO?

This ICO is really a disaster to many investors. I did not know who invented the "time stamped valuation" methods. Maybe Mobilego team invented this bull shit??

It is really unfair to most of the investors. If you sell something to the customers, at least you should gave them some goods when they pay you. That is fair and no matters how the goods are devaluated or appreciated because the title of the goods is transferred at same time.

However, for this bull shit ICO, you did not receive anything when you invested real money into it. For any other similar ICO, they have a fixed ratio to Bitcoin or Ether and you do not worry about the outcome. Even for storj's new ICO who use time-stamped valuation, they gave a real USD price for their token and you could figure out how many coins you would get at day one and it will not decrease despite other's purchase.

I truly worried about the motivation to do ICO like this. The team could make it simple and easy. But they choose the most difficult method.

For any one who works in financial industry, if you counter party deliberately make some product complicated, they are trying to exploit you or play tricks on you.

Hope the team is not a bullshit and could work out some real product. That is the only way the investors will not lose their money.

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Re: [ANN] MOBILEGO Crowdfund - LARGEST Crypto Crowdsale In History
by
Betterman
on 02/06/2017, 13:48:09 UTC
I like the estimated portion. And please put equation up for the math.

Investment / Distributed tokens = Price per token. Your investment / Price per token = Your total amount of tokens.

$53,069,235/70,000,000 = $0.7581 (Price per token). $1391 (Your investment) / $0.7581 = 1834,85 Tokens.

Does that make sense to you? This would be the calculation without any discounts.

In this case, if the total ICO value is based on the last day price of the crypto coins they collected, and the distribution is based on the time stamped value, the total amount of the tokens distributed to all the investors would far below 70m. That is to say, the development team will steal the difference from the early investors, even through they have already get 30m for free.



How so? Do you understand the English language or are you just playing stupid?

If you invest $1200 on day A and they take that in to their calculations and state that on day B your investment is still worth $1200, how are they stealing? Your logic is so flawed.

If BTC were to go down to $800, or even stay at $1200 during the time of the ICO we'd never have any of these discussions. Did you even invest?

can you answer me a simple question? How did the team calculate the total value of all the coins they collected? On a time stamped basis or on the last day price basis? It is really make huge difference. Cause if they calculate the value on the last day price basis, but distribute the tokens on a time stamped basis, they would exaggerate the Denominator and shrink the Numerator, therefore a mismatch should occur.


Ofcourse they calculated it off of a time stamped basis. Otherwise it would not make much sense now would it? It's clear as day what the whitepaper says, as I pointed out to you in the post above yours.

In this case, we need a breakdown of the total value. It seems unlikely to add up all the coins to 53m USD if not using the last day price. As you know, the price of bitcoin and ether at the beginning of the ICO is as 50% as that at the close. not to mention that games is only 30%. If I am not wrong, I remember that they have already collect 12m USD before the huge rise of all the coins. That is to say at least one half of their coins are collected at the 30%-50% of the close price. It is hard for me to believe that the value of the other half of the coins equals 41m USD, even based on the last day price.  It is really a simple math problem but you never look into it.

Meanwhile, I can not believe they already got the time stamped valuation because ,as they said, the distribution was under an audit , which was in order to get the time stamped number correct.

I don't think they were at $12M before coins started rising. And as you probably know the coins were not jumping straight from $1200 - $2400. It was a gradual increase.

I did some simple math right now and just adding all of the coins now would end you up with over $70M. So yes, I believe they did everything right and each transaction got valued at the time it was sent in.



If you had put real money in this project, you would have find the information from their newsletters easily.

From their official newsletter sent into your mail box, you could find the following facts.

1 BY 4th May, they have collected 10m USD, when the prices of BTC,ETH,WAV and GAME are under 1600 USD, 90 USD,  0.8 USD and 1 USD, respectively.

2 BY 9th May, they have collected 13m USD, when the prices of BTC,ETH,WAV and GAME are under 1800 USD, 100 USD,  1 USD  and 1 USD, respectively.

3 BY 16th May, they have collected 18.5m USD, when the prices of BTC,ETH,WAV and GAME are under 1900 USD, 100 USD,  1.5 USD  and 2.2 USD, respectively.

4 BY 3pm UTC 24th May, they have collected 53m USD, when the prices of BTC,ETH,WAV and GAME are under 2400 USD, 230 USD, 2.9 USD  and 3.6 USD, respectively.

The total amount of BTC is 9,918, the total amount of ETH is 37,037, the total amount of WAV is 1,578,629 and the total amount of GAME is 6,741,175.
 
Considering the low amount of ANS collected, we can deliberately omit it.

From the above information, it is hard for me to trust the valuation of the total coins at close is based on time stamped value.



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Re: [ANN] MOBILEGO Crowdfund - LARGEST Crypto Crowdsale In History
by
Betterman
on 02/06/2017, 04:00:03 UTC
why you guys are arguin with newbie rank? i pretty much seen people who keep complainin on every ANN ICO thread and almost all of them are "newbie" rank with fresh created account.
just ignore them.

Actually, I have more than 10 years of financial work experience. Posting more articles does not make you an experienced person. Only one's ideas make sense.It seems you are a reluctant goof and do not have the ability to  consider.
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Re: [ANN] MOBILEGO Crowdfund - LARGEST Crypto Crowdsale In History
by
Betterman
on 02/06/2017, 03:50:30 UTC
I like the estimated portion. And please put equation up for the math.

Investment / Distributed tokens = Price per token. Your investment / Price per token = Your total amount of tokens.

$53,069,235/70,000,000 = $0.7581 (Price per token). $1391 (Your investment) / $0.7581 = 1834,85 Tokens.

Does that make sense to you? This would be the calculation without any discounts.

In this case, if the total ICO value is based on the last day price of the crypto coins they collected, and the distribution is based on the time stamped value, the total amount of the tokens distributed to all the investors would far below 70m. That is to say, the development team will steal the difference from the early investors, even through they have already get 30m for free.



How so? Do you understand the English language or are you just playing stupid?

If you invest $1200 on day A and they take that in to their calculations and state that on day B your investment is still worth $1200, how are they stealing? Your logic is so flawed.

If BTC were to go down to $800, or even stay at $1200 during the time of the ICO we'd never have any of these discussions. Did you even invest?

can you answer me a simple question? How did the team calculate the total value of all the coins they collected? On a time stamped basis or on the last day price basis? It is really make huge difference. Cause if they calculate the value on the last day price basis, but distribute the tokens on a time stamped basis, they would exaggerate the Denominator and shrink the Numerator, therefore a mismatch should occur.


Ofcourse they calculated it off of a time stamped basis. Otherwise it would not make much sense now would it? It's clear as day what the whitepaper says, as I pointed out to you in the post above yours.

In this case, we need a breakdown of the total value. It seems unlikely to add up all the coins to 53m USD if not using the last day price. As you know, the price of bitcoin and ether at the beginning of the ICO is as 50% as that at the close. not to mention that games is only 30%. If I am not wrong, I remember that they have already collect 12m USD before the huge rise of all the coins. That is to say at least one half of their coins are collected at the 30%-50% of the close price. It is hard for me to believe that the value of the other half of the coins equals 41m USD, even based on the last day price.  It is really a simple math problem but you never look into it.

Meanwhile, I can not believe they already got the time stamped valuation because ,as they said, the distribution was under an audit , which was in order to get the time stamped number correct.

I don't think they were at $12M before coins started rising. And as you probably know the coins were not jumping straight from $1200 - $2400. It was a gradual increase.

I did some simple math right now and just adding all of the coins now would end you up with over $70M. So yes, I believe they did everything right and each transaction got valued at the time it was sent in.



Please stop bluffing us.I will calculate the current value of all the coins they collected and that is far less than your 70m USD declaration.

The current prices of BTC, ETH, WAVE, ANS, GAME are around 2400, 230, 3.6, 1.3, 2.6, respectively.

Coins            Amount Collected        Price (USD)             add-up(USD)
BTC                   9,918                       2,400                    23,803,200
ETH                 37,037                          230                      8,518,510
WAV              1,578,629                        3.6                      5,683,064
ANS                 136,487                        1.3                         177,433
GAME            6,741,175                        2.6                     17,527.055

TOP-UP                                                                          55,709,262

The current value of all the coins is 55.7m USD, comparable to the 53m USD they declared at the close of the funding.

The Fact is so simple, but most of the investors did not take it serious.

The distribution phase should be transparent to all the participants. That is where the investors have confidence in. IF somethings begins like a scam, It can not end up in success.

Are the team capable to provide a sheet like I just did? It will prove itself in that way.
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Re: [ANN] MOBILEGO Crowdfund - LARGEST Crypto Crowdsale In History
by
Betterman
on 01/06/2017, 12:40:47 UTC
I like the estimated portion. And please put equation up for the math.

Investment / Distributed tokens = Price per token. Your investment / Price per token = Your total amount of tokens.

$53,069,235/70,000,000 = $0.7581 (Price per token). $1391 (Your investment) / $0.7581 = 1834,85 Tokens.

Does that make sense to you? This would be the calculation without any discounts.

In this case, if the total ICO value is based on the last day price of the crypto coins they collected, and the distribution is based on the time stamped value, the total amount of the tokens distributed to all the investors would far below 70m. That is to say, the development team will steal the difference from the early investors, even through they have already get 30m for free.



How so? Do you understand the English language or are you just playing stupid?

If you invest $1200 on day A and they take that in to their calculations and state that on day B your investment is still worth $1200, how are they stealing? Your logic is so flawed.

If BTC were to go down to $800, or even stay at $1200 during the time of the ICO we'd never have any of these discussions. Did you even invest?

can you answer me a simple question? How did the team calculate the total value of all the coins they collected? On a time stamped basis or on the last day price basis? It is really make huge difference. Cause if they calculate the value on the last day price basis, but distribute the tokens on a time stamped basis, they would exaggerate the Denominator and shrink the Numerator, therefore a mismatch should occur.


Ofcourse they calculated it off of a time stamped basis. Otherwise it would not make much sense now would it? It's clear as day what the whitepaper says, as I pointed out to you in the post above yours.

In this case, we need a breakdown of the total value. It seems unlikely to add up all the coins to 53m USD if not using the last day price. As you know, the price of bitcoin and ether at the beginning of the ICO is as 50% as that at the close. not to mention that games is only 30%. If I am not wrong, I remember that they have already collect 12m USD before the huge rise of all the coins. That is to say at least one half of their coins are collected at the 30%-50% of the close price. It is hard for me to believe that the value of the other half of the coins equals 41m USD, even based on the last day price.  It is really a simple math problem but you never look into it.

Meanwhile, I can not believe they already got the time stamped valuation because ,as they said, the distribution was under an audit , which was in order to get the time stamped number correct.
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Re: [ANN] MOBILEGO Crowdfund - LARGEST Crypto Crowdsale In History
by
Betterman
on 01/06/2017, 12:11:37 UTC
I like the estimated portion. And please put equation up for the math.

Investment / Distributed tokens = Price per token. Your investment / Price per token = Your total amount of tokens.

$53,069,235/70,000,000 = $0.7581 (Price per token). $1391 (Your investment) / $0.7581 = 1834,85 Tokens.

Does that make sense to you? This would be the calculation without any discounts.

In this case, if the total ICO value is based on the last day price of the crypto coins they collected, and the distribution is based on the time stamped value, the total amount of the tokens distributed to all the investors would far below 70m. That is to say, the development team will steal the difference from the early investors, even through they have already get 30m for free.



How so? Do you understand the English language or are you just playing stupid?

If you invest $1200 on day A and they take that in to their calculations and state that on day B your investment is still worth $1200, how are they stealing? Your logic is so flawed.

If BTC were to go down to $800, or even stay at $1200 during the time of the ICO we'd never have any of these discussions. Did you even invest?

can you answer me a simple question? How did the team calculate the total value of all the coins they collected? On a time stamped basis or on the last day price basis? It is really make huge difference. Cause if they calculate the value on the last day price basis, but distribute the tokens on a time stamped basis, they would exaggerate the Denominator and shrink the Numerator, therefore a mismatch should occur.
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Re: [ANN] MOBILEGO Crowdfund - LARGEST Crypto Crowdsale In History
by
Betterman
on 01/06/2017, 12:00:36 UTC
Ok good, i thought somthing was wrong with the numbers. I put up 6 eth they where around 215ish i got 985 mobilego. No matter how you do the math its a rip, 100m or 70m. It looks to me like a programmer done his math wrong in the calculation. .76 x 1xxx is a percentage. 1xxxx ÷ .76 is xxx units at 76 cents. Or i could be really sleep would someone help.
you guys got to stop complaining seriously its all clearly detailed in the whitepaper u choose to deposit when you did i sent most of mine when game was at 1.10-1.15 dont hear me crying foul, and if you sent late into the ico it was time stamped at that price it was done fairly stop crying foul already.

Actually, the allocation method was neither contained in the white paper, nor contained on the ICO web page. If they clarified  the method on the ICO webpage, there would be less complaint about this.

The Storj tokens which adopted the time stamped method did state it clearly on their ICO pages and their coins have a definite USD value. Therefore the investors could use a different pattern to invest, they could invest a portion of their bitcoin at the beginning and invest the remains at the end. However, the mobilego tokens omitted the information which is so important to investors, and it is really unfair to the early investors who thought it would be using a normal method to distribute the tokens.

If it was a real-world IPO, the company would be conceived as a deceiver. Hiding important information from the investors would result in a class action lawsuit.

In this specific case, I suggest that all the early investors should at least argue with the project team, Cause their method is really lack of good reasoning point, both in theory and practice.



I was here prior to the ICO going live. I invested during the first day of the ICO going live and I invested on the last day before closing.

During all this time I knew exactly what I was getting myself in to. I knew that investments were timestamped. Jack was in here every day telling people just that too. And it was in the whitepaper.

If you are going to invest money, you should take the time to at least glance through the whitepaper. Otherwise you will always be on the receiving end of a beating.

Nobody should argue about this fact with the team, they've made it very clear ever since the start that this was the method that were to be used. I guess that these days where people who basically did nothing but get lucky to be inside of a pump and earn some money think they are entitled to so much.

I do not know you are an advocate of the development team. Could you please send us a link to the white paper? I really can not find what you said in the white paper, and lost of ppl had already invested a lot of coins before the team made it clear.
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Re: [ANN] MOBILEGO Crowdfund - LARGEST Crypto Crowdsale In History
by
Betterman
on 01/06/2017, 11:52:32 UTC
I like the estimated portion. And please put equation up for the math.

Investment / Distributed tokens = Price per token. Your investment / Price per token = Your total amount of tokens.

$53,069,235/70,000,000 = $0.7581 (Price per token). $1391 (Your investment) / $0.7581 = 1834,85 Tokens.

Does that make sense to you? This would be the calculation without any discounts.

In this case, if the total ICO value is based on the last day price of the crypto coins they collected, and the distribution is based on the time stamped value, the total amount of the tokens distributed to all the investors would far below 70m. That is to say, the development team will steal the difference from the early investors, even through they have already get 30m for free.

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Re: [ANN] MOBILEGO Crowdfund - LARGEST Crypto Crowdsale In History
by
Betterman
on 01/06/2017, 11:16:15 UTC
Ok good, i thought somthing was wrong with the numbers. I put up 6 eth they where around 215ish i got 985 mobilego. No matter how you do the math its a rip, 100m or 70m. It looks to me like a programmer done his math wrong in the calculation. .76 x 1xxx is a percentage. 1xxxx ÷ .76 is xxx units at 76 cents. Or i could be really sleep would someone help.
you guys got to stop complaining seriously its all clearly detailed in the whitepaper u choose to deposit when you did i sent most of mine when game was at 1.10-1.15 dont hear me crying foul, and if you sent late into the ico it was time stamped at that price it was done fairly stop crying foul already.

Actually, the allocation method was neither contained in the white paper, nor contained on the ICO web page. If they clarified  the method on the ICO webpage, there would be less complaint about this.

The Storj tokens which adopted the time stamped method did state it clearly on their ICO pages and their coins have a definite USD value. Therefore the investors could use a different pattern to invest, they could invest a portion of their bitcoin at the beginning and invest the remains at the end. However, the mobilego tokens omitted the information which is so important to investors, and it is really unfair to the early investors who thought it would be using a normal method to distribute the tokens.

If it was a real-world IPO, the company would be conceived as a deceiver. Hiding important information from the investors would result in a class action lawsuit.

In this specific case, I suggest that all the early investors should at least argue with the project team, Cause their method is really lack of good reasoning point, both in theory and practice.

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Re: [ANN] MOBILEGO Crowdfund - LARGEST Crypto Crowdsale In History
by
Betterman
on 01/06/2017, 02:27:41 UTC
same here.
YAY

Overfounded af anyways.^^

Please do tell me how it is overfunded? How can it even be overfunded? Only in terms of your profit decreasing? I'd say that the success of the project comes first.

Congratulations on the total funds collected. However, I though the token allocation is totally wrong.

please find below the information included in the Frequently Asked Questions

--" 5. What is the price per MobileGo token?

MobileGo's price per token will be determined by the amount invested divided by the total number of coins. So, if we raise 5,000,000 USD you divide that by 70,000,000 MGO to get .071 USD per token. If we raise 10,000,000 USD the price per token would be .1428 USD."

As the team successfully collected 53,069,235 USD, the price of each token should be 0.7581 USD.That is simple calculation.

However, how could they collect 53m USD? It is illegal to do a IPO through Legal tender without the supervision from the SEC in most countries. They actually get the money though cryptocurrency, That means 53m USD equals 9,918 Bitcoin Plus 37037 Ether Plus 6,741,175 Game plus 1,578,629 Wave plus 136,487 Ans, we just do a little bit research into the historical price of these coins and find out that only if the prices of the different coins were based on the last day of the ICO(25 May 2017), could they top up the value to 53m USD. That is to say,The token allocation should be based on the last day evaluation of the coins collected from the investors, rather than time stamped evaluation.

One simple word. we are all funked by the omnipotent development team. They are so greedy and change the calculation deliberately to exploit most of the early investors.